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Hi

My name is Sheldon and I have recently become interested in the history
of samurai warriors and life in feudal Japan (especially the later
period). I can tell by reading your emails that you all know what u are
talking about and I would be very grateful if u could suggest some
websites books and anything relating to samurai history. I have already
got my hands on some books (by Stephen Turnbull who I am told is
somewhat of an expert in this field) but I am looking for books that
focus more on the armor and the mons of the samurai. Any information
will be greatly appreciated

Thanks
Sheldon


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http://www.angelfire.com/realm/kitsuno01/crest1.html

Try going to the above web page and you will find some of the samurai mons
there.

Roy


At 08:41 PM 01/10/2000 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi
>
>My name is Sheldon and I have recently become interested in the history
>of samurai warriors and life in feudal Japan (especially the later
>period). I can tell by reading your emails that you all know what u are
>talking about and I would be very grateful if u could suggest some
>websites books and anything relating to samurai history. I have already
>got my hands on some books (by Stephen Turnbull who I am told is
>somewhat of an expert in this field) but I am looking for books that
>focus more on the armor and the mons of the samurai. Any information
>will be greatly appreciated
>
>Thanks
>Sheldon
>
>
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Ladies & Gentlemen of the Forum:

I'm looking for sources (published or online) on the
Battle of Nagashino (1575) for an Army research
project. I have Turnbull's "Nagashino 1575", in
addition to his "Samurai Battles" and "Samurai
Sourcebook". I also have Rekishi Gunzo #27 Shincho-ki.
I need something besides Turnbull as far as English
language sources go, and of course any Japanese
resources would be a plus. This is a battle analysis
paper for a US Army intelligence course, so I really
need sources that concentrate on the battle (in other
words, general histories don't do a whole lot for me.)


Your help is appreciated,

Nate Ledbetter

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Hi!!

I dont know the sources in internet, but i wrote the
word "Nagashino" in the search engine of yahoo, and it
foud several pages concerning the battle and some ones
the backgroud previous to battle such as shingen�s
death.

hope it helps.

Edwin.

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Nate

The Takeda by Two Dragons (daisho publications) certainly mentions
this battle in some detail, but I do not have the booklet with me at
work and cannot remember what sources they used and the depth of
content.

I am quite sure I have another set of writings on Nagashino but I
might be mixing up one of my Turnbull books.

If you do not have the information you require by the weekend, drop
me a mail at rob@... and I will check through my
books and also provide information on the Takeda booklet.
(I work away from home in the week so cannot look before Friday
evening)

If you do find another source in the meantime, I would be interested
to know about it.

Hope that helps

Kind regards

Rob

Rob Broom
Warhammer Historical General Manager

--- In samuraihistory@y..., Nate Ledbetter wrote:
> Ladies & Gentlemen of the Forum:
>
> I'm looking for sources (published or online) on the
> Battle of Nagashino (1575) for an Army research
> project. I have Turnbull's "Nagashino 1575", in
> addition to his "Samurai Battles" and "Samurai
> Sourcebook". I also have Rekishi Gunzo #27 Shincho-ki.
> I need something besides Turnbull as far as English
> language sources go, and of course any Japanese
> resources would be a plus. This is a battle analysis
> paper for a US Army intelligence course, so I really
> need sources that concentrate on the battle (in other
> words, general histories don't do a whole lot for me.)
>
>
> Your help is appreciated,
>
> Nate Ledbetter
>
> __________________________________________________
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I've checked all my English sources, and I'm starting to think that
there are no military historians studying the Sengoku period.
Couldn't find any specifics on the battle itself anywhere, just
examinations of the result and its implications. I could give you a
bunch of english sources for 'filler' in the bibliography (let me
know if you are interested).

I have a bunch that mention it, although none with much detail. One
book worthy of note though is 'The Military Revolution - Military
inovation and the rise of the West 1500 - 1800' by Geoffrey Parker.
Anyone interested in military history should be required to read it.
Althogh it focuses on the 'West', it also touches on Japan. It
credits Nobunaga (and Japan) with being at least 20 years ahead of
Europe in the way guns were deployed for battle. It states, among
other things, that the Japanese were more interested in improving
accuracy, whereas Europe was focused on reload time, and Nobunaga's
use of riflemen in Nagashino in 1575 tackled both problems
(apparently the 'tanegashima' were considered very accurate).
Nobunaga's use of ranks of men firing and moving back to reload wasn't
even suggested in Europe until the 1590's, and apparently not put into
general use in Europe until the 1630's.

As for Japanese sources, I have Bessatsu Rekishi Tokuhon 85, "Sengoku
no Kassen" Japan: Shin Jinbutsu Ôrai Co., 1998. A solid two page
description of the battle, with those involved and battle stats is on
page 144 - 145.

And Rekishi Gunzo #1, "Oda Nobunaga" has a few articles on Nobunaga's
use of guns, and info on guns in Japan in general, but doesn't appear
to have any specific info on Nagashino itself.

Have any of those articles been translated into English? If so, can you tell
me how I can get photocopies of the articles?

Thanks.

Bob Burke


In a message dated 3/31/02 12:42:02 PM, kitsuno@... writes:

<< I've checked all my English sources, and I'm starting to think that

there are no military historians studying the Sengoku period.

Couldn't find any specifics on the battle itself anywhere, just

examinations of the result and its implications. I could give you a

bunch of english sources for 'filler' in the bibliography (let me

know if you are interested).


I have a bunch that mention it, although none with much detail. One

book worthy of note though is 'The Military Revolution - Military

inovation and the rise of the West 1500 - 1800' by Geoffrey Parker.

Anyone interested in military history should be required to read it.

Althogh it focuses on the 'West', it also touches on Japan. It

credits Nobunaga (and Japan) with being at least 20 years ahead of

Europe in the way guns were deployed for battle. It states, among

other things, that the Japanese were more interested in improving

accuracy, whereas Europe was focused on reload time, and Nobunaga's

use of riflemen in Nagashino in 1575 tackled both problems

(apparently the 'tanegashima' were considered very accurate).

Nobunaga's use of ranks of men firing and moving back to reload wasn't

even suggested in Europe until the 1590's, and apparently not put into

general use in Europe until the 1630's.


As for Japanese sources, I have Bessatsu Rekishi Tokuhon 85, "Sengoku

no Kassen" Japan: Shin Jinbutsu Ôrai Co., 1998. A solid two page

description of the battle, with those involved and battle stats is on

page 144 - 145.


And Rekishi Gunzo #1, "Oda Nobunaga" has a few articles on Nobunaga's

use of guns, and info on guns in Japan in general, but doesn't appear

to have any specific info on Nagashino itself.



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Hi, Iam new to this group . I am a native Japanese guy.I have good
knowledge on samurai history. Of course I know the battle of
Nagashino well. But one problem, I can only use plain English. It
needs high-level vocabularies to express what I mean!
But if you are so patient with my English, I'll be your help.

E-mail me at
hai05970@...

Osuka Yasutaka: Three people have now asked me to give them more information on this samurai, identified by Stephen Turnbull in the Osprey "Nagashino 1575" as commanding 1000 troops on the left flank of the Okubo with Sakakibara Yasumasa on their right, forming the right wing of the Tokugawa force.
I believe that I have now exhausted my sources and failed to find any reference to him (or the Osuka). Amongst other sources, English, Japanese, French and German, I have looked at three contemporary versions of the Nagashino screens - and modern japanese representations - translating the Kanji annotations.
Can any of you, "my learned collegues", provide any information or source idetifying this person?

Rod Johnson


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This is what little I have on Oosuka Yasutaka - (1528 - 1589)

During Nagakute, Oosuka Yasutaka was in the vanguard in attack
against Miyoshi Hidetsugu whom he beat, but was then defeated
himself in a counter attack by Hori Hidemasa.
Another time, he attacked Shinano's Ueda castle held by the Sanada,
but I don't have any other info on that (probably around the time he
died). I also don't have any info on his alleged involvement at
Nagashino.

He died the the 23rd day of the 6th month of 1589.


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wrote:

> Osuka Yasutaka: Three people have now asked me to give them more

information on this samurai, identified by Stephen Turnbull in the
Osprey "Nagashino 1575" as commanding 1000 troops on the left flank
of the Okubo with Sakakibara Yasumasa on their right, forming the
right wing of the Tokugawa force.

> I believe that I have now exhausted my sources and failed to find

any reference to him (or the Osuka). Amongst other sources, English,
Japanese, French and German, I have looked at three contemporary
versions of the Nagashino screens - and modern japanese
representations - translating the Kanji annotations.

> Can any of you, "my learned collegues", provide any information or

source idetifying this person?

>
> Rod Johnson

Hmmm... I thought Nate's specialty was big noses and impressive overbites...

>>>William and I specialize in Eiko Koike.

(g)

Nate

Just to add my two cents to Nate's comment:

Nobunaga realised the efficiency of salvoe fire after his troops suffered
from that particular firing technique (conflicts against religious
factions... Ikko Ikki?). But contrarily to his earlier opponents, he alone
achieved such a decisive result (thanks in part to the stubborn Takeda
Katsuyori who was not so "Great" by risking it all on that day).
Nagashino is a turning point mainly because a famous clan competing for
supremacy, the Takeda, was eliminated of the contenders and forced to defend
its lands until it's ultimate downfall several years later.

I appologize for possible mistakes... I write English as a 5th grade lousy
boy. =)

Eric Chenard
Montreal (Quebec)

>From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Nagashino
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:00:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Not a problem. It gets talked about often like it was
>a breakthrough in military tactics--and I think it
>was. But not because of the rotating firing
>lines--that had been done before.
>
>To me, Nagashino confirms Nobunaga's military genius.
>Not because he used rotating firing lines, but because
>he analyzed his enemy and came up with a perfect plan
>to defeat him. The way he combined the natural
>terrain, the obstacles, and the fires is exactly like
>they teach us as military officers. Unfortunately,
>Takeda Katsuyori didn't listen to his officers, like
>modern S-2's, who would have told him no way they
>should go in there. Oh well.
>
>Nate
>
>--- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
> > Thanks! Probably, Nagashino is only "more famous"???
> > I'll ask my teacher on Tuesday - To be honest, I'm
> > not very strong on
> > sengoku, and that's why I joined this list (my
> > specialty are... ahem...
> > Geisha-not very martial!!) - ;o)
> > xxx
> > Cepo, Honolulu
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:
> >
> > > Read the Nagashino section of Rekishi Gunso (Chris
> > or
> > > William, can you give us the issue #? I forgot) or
> > > Turnbull's "Nagashino 1575". These will help
> > dispel
> > > some of the more common misperceptions of this
> > battle.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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> >
> >
>
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I wasn't home at the time... and I'm actually not home right now :(~

I'll take a look when I get home, but I'm assuming it is one of the two. Unless
it is part of the larger Sengoku overview, #50 or #51...

> You would know, I got it from you...

> Nate

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> It's probably Rekishi Gunzo #5 - Takeda Shingen,
> and/or #8 - Uesugi
> Kenshin. I don't have them here with me, but the
> numbers are right.
>