Re: The Last Samurai-----rifles

The first practicable US bolt action was the Krag-Jorgensen of 1898 war with
Spain. The first British model was the Lee-Metford of 1888. Therefore, any
breech loaders in Imperial Japanese army in 1877 were movie anachronisms.
Muskets----rifled muskets------in first battle could have been Civil War surplus
Model 1861 Springfield percussion muskets. The US Army in 1877 was using the
later 45-70. caliber trap door Springfields, still single shot. This is what
helped doom Custer at Little Big Horn in 1876: renegades had armed Indians
with the Model 1873 Winchester repeating rifle. Prof Murf


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Prof. Murphy, the rifles in the beginging of the movie were indeed the springfield, but they had not been converted yet as they were putting caps on the rifles to prime them. Thank you for the dates on the bolt action rifles, I knew they did not exist as early as the 1870's..


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DATE: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:31:32
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The first practicable US bolt action was the Krag-Jorgensen of 1898 war with
Spain. The first British model was the Lee-Metford of 1888. Therefore, any
breech loaders in Imperial Japanese army in 1877 were movie anachronisms.
Muskets----rifled muskets------in first battle could have been Civil War surplus
Model 1861 Springfield percussion muskets. The US Army in 1877 was using the
later 45-70. caliber trap door Springfields, still single shot. This is what
helped doom Custer at Little Big Horn in 1876: renegades had armed Indians
with the Model 1873 Winchester repeating rifle. Prof Murf


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I read an article about an American knife and sword maker, who had been
trained by some of the best sword makers in Japan and he was able to make a Katana
that was able to cut a one inch steel cable. The cable was suspended and
allowed to hang freely. This was one of the tests he used to test some of his
blades. So maybe it is possible to cut the barrel of a gun with a good downward
force swing of a Katana. This is just something that I read and as of right
now I don't claim to be an expert on Samurai, but I am reading as much as I can
afford to buy.

Brett


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do you have a refference for the article?? Id be most interested in seeing that..

Wilson


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DATE: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:25:17
From: BMCAMP@...
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I read an article about an American knife and sword maker, who had been
trained by some of the best sword makers in Japan and he was able to make a Katana
that was able to cut a one inch steel cable. The cable was suspended and
allowed to hang freely. This was one of the tests he used to test some of his
blades. So maybe it is possible to cut the barrel of a gun with a good downward
force swing of a Katana. This is just something that I read and as of right
now I don't claim to be an expert on Samurai, but I am reading as much as I can
afford to buy.

Brett


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During the Satsuma Rebellion, the Japanese Imperial Army was armed with
breechloading Snider rifles which could fire approximately six rounds per minute.

In the same time period, the Germans and the French both had breech loading
rifles.

Bob Burke



In a message dated 1/12/04 1:32:48 AM, murphymurphyjohn@... writes:

<< The first practicable US bolt action was the Krag-Jorgensen of 1898 war
with
Spain. The first British model was the Lee-Metford of 1888. Therefore, any
breech loaders in Imperial Japanese army in 1877 were movie anachronisms.
Muskets----rifled muskets------in first battle could have been Civil War
surplus
Model 1861 Springfield percussion muskets. The US Army in 1877 was using the
later 45-70. caliber trap door Springfields, still single shot. This is
what
helped doom Custer at Little Big Horn in 1876: renegades had armed Indians
with the Model 1873 Winchester repeating rifle. Prof Murf >>