>swordsman
> "The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best
> inantagonist
> the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant
> whoto
> has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought
> do,to do;
> and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not
> and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot."what
> -Mark Twain
>
> "Sharp-souled Samurai bleed just as well as the dull-souled when cut."
> -Me
>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Medhal Mikit Stór-ljon Oddhinsson [mailto:medhal8@...]
> >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:05 PM
> >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
>
>
> >>Hi Josh and all
>
> >>Once I had a parlance about this issue with some Sensei of Iai-Dô, and
> I could understand about it is that yes, of course, the craftsmanshiplevel
> of the crafter is important.replica
>
> >>But the most important thing is the soul of a samurai!
> It is inside the soul that there must be the REAL and most important
> sharpness!
>
> >>And I was able to saw even an practical demonstration of that.
>
> >>At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana would
> shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of Iai-do is able
> to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin and fragile
> of a katana blade made with wood!!!people
>
> >>Remember also that Miyamoto Musashi was able to kill more than 200
> alone with only his Bokuto-no-ken (a wood-made katana just like theinitial
> sword of Chrono at the old Sness RPG called Chrono Thrigger by Squareon
> Software, the same of the nowaddays Final Fantasy X)
>
>
> >>So, I guess much that nowaddays lads gets as "just symbolic" information
> the classical texts, may have an more literal meaning than much peopleeven
> suspect...
>
> >>Good Festivities to ya all
> Akemashite Omedetou
>
> >>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> São Paulo - SP
>
>
>From: Me�al Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson <medhal8@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:58:03 -0200
>
>BTW, I commited a little mistype...
>Where I had written:
>"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana would
>shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of Iai-do is able
>to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin and fragile replica
>of a katana blade made with wood!!! "
>
>It should be read:
>
>"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana would
>shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of Iai-do is able
>to slice an piece of bamboo in public with an very thin and fragile replica
>of a katana blade made with wood!!! "
>
>Concerning the comments...
>What I experienced with western style sword trainning (fencing) and kendo,
>is that there is too much differences (perhaps cultural or just procedures)
>to apply concepts that is valid in one into another case.
>
>I doubt very much the people who did such mockering concerning kendo and
>the
>spirit of kenjitsu, had even just six months of aprenticeship...
>
>Regards
>
>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
>S�o Paulo - SP Brazil
>
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:37:21 +0000
> From: golfmandan@...
>Subject: Re: RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
>
>Mark Twain would have loved Bill Murray in "The Man Who Knew Too Little",
>lol.
> >
> > "The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best
>swordsman
> > in
> > the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant
>antagonist
> > who
> > has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he
>ought
>to
> > do,
> > and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not
>to do;
> > and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot."
> > -Mark Twain
> >
> > "Sharp-souled Samurai bleed just as well as the dull-souled when cut."
> > -Me
> >
> > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson [mailto:medhal8@...]
> > >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:05 PM
> > >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
> >
> >
> > >>Hi Josh and all
> >
> > >>Once I had a parlance about this issue with some Sensei of Iai-D�, and
>what
> > I could understand about it is that yes, of course, the craftsmanship
>level
> > of the crafter is important.
> >
> > >>But the most important thing is the soul of a samurai!
> > It is inside the soul that there must be the REAL and most important
> > sharpness!
> >
> > >>And I was able to saw even an practical demonstration of that.
> >
> > >>At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
>would
> > shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of Iai-do is
>able
> > to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin and fragile
>replica
> > of a katana blade made with wood!!!
> >
> > >>Remember also that Miyamoto Musashi was able to kill more than 200
>people
> > alone with only his Bokuto-no-ken (a wood-made katana just like the
>initial
> > sword of Chrono at the old Sness RPG called Chrono Thrigger by Square
> > Software, the same of the nowaddays Final Fantasy X)
> >
> >
> > >>So, I guess much that nowaddays lads gets as "just symbolic"
>information
>on
> > the classical texts, may have an more literal meaning than much people
>even
> > suspect...
> >
> > >>Good Festivities to ya all
> > Akemashite Omedetou
> >
> > >>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> > S�o Paulo - SP
> >
> >
>
>From: Meðal Mikit Stór-ljon Oddhinsson <medhal8@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:58:03 -0200
>
>BTW, I commited a little mistype...
>Where I had written:
>"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
>would shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of
>Iai-do is able to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin
>and fragile replica of a katana blade made with wood!!! "
>
>It should be read:
>
>"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
>would shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of
>Iai-do is able to slice an piece of bamboo in public with an very thin
>and fragile replica of a katana blade made with wood!!! "
>
>Concerning the comments...
>What I experienced with western style sword trainning (fencing) and
>kendo, is that there is too much differences (perhaps cultural or just
>procedures) to apply concepts that is valid in one into another case.
>
>I doubt very much the people who did such mockering concerning kendo
>and
>the
>spirit of kenjitsu, had even just six months of aprenticeship...
>
>Regards
>
>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
>São Paulo - SP Brazil
>
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:37:21 +0000
> From: golfmandan@...
>Subject: Re: RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
>
>Mark Twain would have loved Bill Murray in "The Man Who Knew Too
>Little", lol.
> >
> > "The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second
> > best
>swordsman
> > in
> > the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant
>antagonist
> > who
> > has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he
>ought
>to
> > do,
> > and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought
> > not
>to do;
> > and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot." -Mark
> > Twain
> >
> > "Sharp-souled Samurai bleed just as well as the dull-souled when
> > cut." -Me
> >
> > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Medhal Mikit Stór-ljon Oddhinsson [mailto:medhal8@...]
> > >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:05 PM
> > >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
> >
> >
> > >>Hi Josh and all
> >
> > >>Once I had a parlance about this issue with some Sensei of Iai-Dô,
> > >>and
>what
> > I could understand about it is that yes, of course, the
> > craftsmanship
>level
> > of the crafter is important.
> >
> > >>But the most important thing is the soul of a samurai!
> > It is inside the soul that there must be the REAL and most important
> > sharpness!
> >
> > >>And I was able to saw even an practical demonstration of that.
> >
> > >>At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
>would
> > shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of Iai-do
> > is
>able
> > to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin and fragile
>replica
> > of a katana blade made with wood!!!
> >
> > >>Remember also that Miyamoto Musashi was able to kill more than 200
>people
> > alone with only his Bokuto-no-ken (a wood-made katana just like the
>initial
> > sword of Chrono at the old Sness RPG called Chrono Thrigger by
> > Square Software, the same of the nowaddays Final Fantasy X)
> >
> >
> > >>So, I guess much that nowaddays lads gets as "just symbolic"
>information
>on
> > the classical texts, may have an more literal meaning than much
> > people
>even
> > suspect...
> >
> > >>Good Festivities to ya all
> > Akemashite Omedetou
> >
> > >>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> > São Paulo - SP
> >
> >
>
>From: "Matthew E. Hoyle" <matthewhoyle@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:57:48 +0100
>
>1 million layers ?? That is (very) unlikely, since the tamahagane would
>have had to be folded 20 or 21 times depending how you count. The point
>being that everytime the steel is folded you are adding carbon (and
>losing impurities), making it tougher / harder and thus more difficult
>to fold each time, and making the swords cutting edge eventually more
>brittle. (the inner core of a sword is not folded as often as the
>outside 'skin' for this reason - keeping it simple).
>
>I believe you will find that the average no. Of times the outer steel is
>folded will range from 12 - 16. Indicating just over 65.000 layers of
>steel when folded 16 times..........
>
>- Matt
>
>
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>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: Jack McElwee [mailto:KeimanZero@...]
>Verzonden: dinsdag 23 december 2003 18:19
>Aan: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Onderwerp: RE: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
>
>
>We see you saw the Samurai Warriors special on History Channel running
>this
>month on ComcastOnDemand/Cable Faves. What did you think of it? We felt
>it
>to be very informative and especially enjoyed the segment on sword
>forging.
>Some katanas having 1 million layers of metals!! Onegai let us know what
>you
>thought of it!-Keiman and Kei.
>
>
> >From: Me�al Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson <medhal8@...>
> >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
> >Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:58:03 -0200
> >
> >BTW, I commited a little mistype...
> >Where I had written:
> >"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
> >would shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of
> >Iai-do is able to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin
> >and fragile replica of a katana blade made with wood!!! "
> >
> >It should be read:
> >
> >"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
> >would shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of
> >Iai-do is able to slice an piece of bamboo in public with an very thin
> >and fragile replica of a katana blade made with wood!!! "
> >
> >Concerning the comments...
> >What I experienced with western style sword trainning (fencing) and
> >kendo, is that there is too much differences (perhaps cultural or just
> >procedures) to apply concepts that is valid in one into another case.
> >
> >I doubt very much the people who did such mockering concerning kendo
> >and
> >the
> >spirit of kenjitsu, had even just six months of aprenticeship...
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> >S�o Paulo - SP Brazil
> >
> >
> >Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:37:21 +0000
> > From: golfmandan@...
> >Subject: Re: RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
> >
> >Mark Twain would have loved Bill Murray in "The Man Who Knew Too
> >Little", lol.
> > >
> > > "The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second
> > > best
> >swordsman
> > > in
> > > the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant
> >antagonist
> > > who
> > > has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he
> >ought
> >to
> > > do,
> > > and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought
>
> > > not
> >to do;
> > > and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot." -Mark
>
> > > Twain
> > >
> > > "Sharp-souled Samurai bleed just as well as the dull-souled when
> > > cut." -Me
> > >
> > > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson [mailto:medhal8@...]
> > > >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:05 PM
> > > >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Sharpness in soul or in the steel? was: Re: Hi
> > >
> > >
> > > >>Hi Josh and all
> > >
> > > >>Once I had a parlance about this issue with some Sensei of Iai-D�,
>
> > > >>and
> >what
> > > I could understand about it is that yes, of course, the
> > > craftsmanship
> >level
> > > of the crafter is important.
> > >
> > > >>But the most important thing is the soul of a samurai!
> > > It is inside the soul that there must be the REAL and most important
>
> > > sharpness!
> > >
> > > >>And I was able to saw even an practical demonstration of that.
> > >
> > > >>At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true traditional Katana
> >would
> > > shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however an master of Iai-do
> > > is
> >able
> > > to slice an piece of iai-do in public with an very thin and fragile
> >replica
> > > of a katana blade made with wood!!!
> > >
> > > >>Remember also that Miyamoto Musashi was able to kill more than 200
> >people
> > > alone with only his Bokuto-no-ken (a wood-made katana just like the
> >initial
> > > sword of Chrono at the old Sness RPG called Chrono Thrigger by
> > > Square Software, the same of the nowaddays Final Fantasy X)
> > >
> > >
> > > >>So, I guess much that nowaddays lads gets as "just symbolic"
> >information
> >on
> > > the classical texts, may have an more literal meaning than much
> > > people
> >even
> > > suspect...
> > >
> > > >>Good Festivities to ya all
> > > Akemashite Omedetou
> > >
> > > >>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> > > S�o Paulo - SP
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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>
> >From: "Matthew E. Hoyle" <matthewhoyle@...>
> >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul
> or in the steel?
> >Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:57:48 +0100
> >
> >1 million layers ?? That is (very) unlikely, since
> the tamahagane would
> >have had to be folded 20 or 21 times depending how
> you count. The point
> >being that everytime the steel is folded you are
> adding carbon (and
> >losing impurities), making it tougher / harder and
> thus more difficult
> >to fold each time, and making the swords cutting
> edge eventually more
> >brittle. (the inner core of a sword is not folded
> as often as the
> >outside 'skin' for this reason - keeping it
> simple).
> >
> >I believe you will find that the average no. Of
> times the outer steel is
> >folded will range from 12 - 16. Indicating just
> over 65.000 layers of
> >steel when folded 16 times..........
> >
> >- Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > Z Recruiting Services
> > �Zurich Toren� Muzenstraat 89
> > 2511 WB Den Haag
> > T: +31 70 4262273
> > F: +31 70 4262111
> > W: zrecruiting.com
> > E: info@...
> > Kijk ook op monsterboard.nl, jobbingmall.nl en
> > nationalevacaturebank.nl voor actuele
> vacatures!
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >Van: Jack McElwee [mailto:KeimanZero@...]
> >Verzonden: dinsdag 23 december 2003 18:19
> >Aan: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Onderwerp: RE: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in
> soul or in the steel?
> >
> >
> >We see you saw the Samurai Warriors special on
> History Channel running
> >this
> >month on ComcastOnDemand/Cable Faves. What did you
> think of it? We felt
> >it
> >to be very informative and especially enjoyed the
> segment on sword
> >forging.
> >Some katanas having 1 million layers of metals!!
> Onegai let us know what
> >you
> >thought of it!-Keiman and Kei.
> >
> >
> > >From: Me�al Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
> <medhal8@...>
> > >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: [samuraihistory] RE: Sharpness in soul
> or in the steel?
> > >Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:58:03 -0200
> > >
> > >BTW, I commited a little mistype...
> > >Where I had written:
> > >"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true
> traditional Katana
> > >would shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo,
> however an master of
> > >Iai-do is able to slice an piece of iai-do in
> public with an very thin
> > >and fragile replica of a katana blade made with
> wood!!! "
> > >
> > >It should be read:
> > >
> > >"At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a true
> traditional Katana
> > >would shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo,
> however an master of
> > >Iai-do is able to slice an piece of bamboo in
> public with an very thin
> > >and fragile replica of a katana blade made with
> wood!!! "
> > >
> > >Concerning the comments...
> > >What I experienced with western style sword
> trainning (fencing) and
> > >kendo, is that there is too much differences
> (perhaps cultural or just
> > >procedures) to apply concepts that is valid in
> one into another case.
> > >
> > >I doubt very much the people who did such
> mockering concerning kendo
> > >and
> > >the
> > >spirit of kenjitsu, had even just six months of
> aprenticeship...
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> > >S�o Paulo - SP Brazil
> > >
> > >
> > >Message: 4
> > > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:37:21 +0000
> > > From: golfmandan@...
> > >Subject: Re: RE: Sharpness in soul or in the
> steel? was: Re: Hi
> > >
> > >Mark Twain would have loved Bill Murray in "The
> Man Who Knew Too
> > >Little", lol.
> > > >
> > > > "The best swordsman in the world doesn't need
> to fear the second
> > > > best
> > >swordsman
> > > > in
> > > > the world; no, the person for him to be afraid
> of is some ignorant
> > >antagonist
> > > > who
> > > > has never had a sword in his hand before; he
> doesn't do the thing he
> > >ought
> > >to
> > > > do,
> > > > and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he
> does the thing he ought
> >
> > > > not
> > >to do;
> > > > and often it catches the expert out and ends
> him on the spot." -Mark
> >
> > > > Twain
> > > >
> > > > "Sharp-souled Samurai bleed just as well as
> the dull-souled when
> > > > cut." -Me
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
> [mailto:medhal8@...]
> > > > >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:05 PM
> > > > >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
> was: Re: Hi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>Hi Josh and all
> > > >
> > > > >>Once I had a parlance about this issue with
> some Sensei of Iai-D�,
> >
> > > > >>and
> > >what
> > > > I could understand about it is that yes, of
> course, the
> > > > craftsmanship
> > >level
> > > > of the crafter is important.
> > > >
> > > > >>But the most important thing is the soul of
> a samurai!
> > > > It is inside the soul that there must be the
> REAL and most important
> >
> > > > sharpness!
> > > >
> > > > >>And I was able to saw even an practical
> demonstration of that.
> > > >
> > > > >>At unskilled hands, even a good blade of a
> true traditional Katana
> > >would
> > > > shatters blowing an slice at a bamboo, however
> an master of Iai-do
> > > > is
> > >able
>
On Dec 23, 2003, at 5:41 PM, Michael Peters wrote:
>
> Once again the "Mystical East" (which is far better than the mundane
> West )
> rears it's head. Bullshit! it is not spirit it is technique. It IS
> true that
> an idiot can break a sword with an incorrect blow. Hell I know people
> who
> can break ball bearings. I regularly trim my yard with the same 1"
> round
> bamboo staff that I use for practicing kendo forms. It works better
> than
> loppers on exposed limbs. But it is TECHNIQUE, not some mystical
> purity in
> my soul.
> As for my experience, I am currentlly studying kyuudo in Ibaraki.
> Again it
> is technique. SOME people use it as a means to focus for Zen, it is a
> means
> not a requirement.
>
> MJPeters
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>"Ok, I follow you, BUT: what about concentration?If that were true, all the stuff coming out of China wouldn't be junk.
>
>What about the capacity to use at 100% the technique you acquired
>through training?
>Without being extreme and bringing in the "Mystical East," I believe
>that it is a matter of fact that in East Asia, people put more
>emphasis on "focusing" than people in the West."
>respect
>Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 10:22:56 +0700
> From: "Michael Peters"
>Subject: Re: RE: Sharpness in soul or in the steel?
>
>>"Ok, I follow you, BUT: what about concentration?
>>
>>What about the capacity to use at 100% the technique you acquired
>>through training?
>>Without being extreme and bringing in the "Mystical East," I believe
>>that it is a matter of fact that in East Asia, people put more
>>emphasis on "focusing" than people in the West."
>
> If that were true, all the stuff coming out of China wouldn't be junk.
>I've also seen junk modern reproduction armour made in Japan. That said
>there is MORE of a tendency to take pride in your work simply for the sake
>of doing your job well than you encounter in the West. There is more
>for the craftsman. But a TRUE craftsman, whether it's swords, armour,at
>weaving, cooking, carpentry, even chadou FOCUSES. It is the MIND not the
>soul. If you believe Robert Mcpherson or J.D. Hrosilous (sp?) don't focus
>the same level of armourers and swordsmiths in Japan you are sorelysee
>mistaken. Also if you think the average Japanese focuses well you should
>all the idiots trying to ride bicycles while reading e-mail on thier keitaimuch
> Perhaps this is because we DO tend to over-intellectualize things in the
>West. My poor Japanese HAS forced me to use ishin denshin while studying
>Kyuudo, but my focus is the same it has been for years while armouring or
>training in different martial art systems.
> Side observation. It often seems that the people who believe (key word
>believe) in the "Mystical East" are people who would LIKE to believe in
>magic but have too much sense yet are too much of the romantic to give up
>the idea that there is SOMETHING more so they transfer that desire to a far
>distant and strange land. I undestand that hope. I shared it when I was
>younger, but I have travelled too much and seen too much to give it any_________________________________________________________
>credence.
>
>M.J.Peters
>_________________________________________________________________
>In Karate, there is a several of standardized movements called Kata, and
>sparring trainning called Kumite, however there is also a meditation to be
>performed before do all of this. The effect of it was that, in time of
>need,
>when some thugs attempted to assault me and take my money late at night, it
>was just instinctive. I was not thinking in what do do if the thief do this
>or that, or in technical therms when fighting for my life. Things just went
>naturally before I even knew what was really happening and the thugs got
>out
>of there, and I was no black belt, much less any kind of "super martial
>arts
>master" to do anything in special.
>Just an standard trainner as any other student.
>
>So, I know it is very far than what those of ancient called as "sharpness
>in
>soul", but it is a pratical example, and one does not need to believe in
>"magick" to perform that. LOL
>
>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
>S�o Paulo - SP Brazil
> Octavio,_________________________________________________________________
>
> You merely prove my point. It is technique. Your
> technique and training
> allowed you to rout the "thugs".
> As I've studied various martial arts for over 20
> years and unfortunately
> needed to use them on occasion, I don't REALLY need
> an explanation of kata.
> :)
>
> Michael
> >
> >In Karate, there is a several of standardized
> movements called Kata, and
> >sparring trainning called Kumite, however there is
> also a meditation to be
> >performed before do all of this. The effect of it
> was that, in time of
> >need,
> >when some thugs attempted to assault me and take my
> money late at night, it
> >was just instinctive. I was not thinking in what do
> do if the thief do this
> >or that, or in technical therms when fighting for
> my life. Things just went
> >naturally before I even knew what was really
> happening and the thugs got
> >out
> >of there, and I was no black belt, much less any
> kind of "super martial
> >arts
> >master" to do anything in special.
> >Just an standard trainner as any other student.
> >
> >So, I know it is very far than what those of
> ancient called as "sharpness
> >in
> >soul", but it is a pratical example, and one does
> not need to believe in
> >"magick" to perform that. LOL
> >
> >Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> >S�o Paulo - SP Brazil
>
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> From: Lee Changsub <knorr31@...>I would recommend a .45 automatic if I were feeling sporting, a slam
>
>For example, if someone needs to fight with Tyson, I
>would recommend strenuous and rigorous training
>combining both Kata and Kumite.
>
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