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#2676 [2003-12-07 08:48:51]

New Member Arrival

by kyosuke_miyamoto

Hello Everyone, Im Kyosuke. I'm new to the forum and all, but I know
a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient japan. I myself,
follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real life Samurai, though
Samurai's have been outlawed since the late 1800's, I still consider
myself one. I've been to Japan, and studied the fighting skills from
Sensei Ichi Hayamatsu, learned the old culture and the respects. And
with this, I've become a Samurai. I want to be the one to say how Im
honored in joining this forum, and expect a lot of great stuff from
you all as well.

That is all.
-Kyosuke Miyamoto

P.S. Im also A fanatic of old Samurai Movies. If you'd like we can
talk of them.

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#2680 [2003-12-07 10:25:22]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by klancesegall

listen, by saying you're a samurai you've just given
most of us a HUGE headache.
You DO know that the Bushido was an invention of the
Edo era to keep samurai in line and give them a
purpose in society? that the only people who EVER used
bushido in combat were the Shinsen gumi, and that it
showed a marvelous FAILURE? No, by following the
Bushido you are NOT a samurai, you are a
dissillusioned individual.
The samurai were not "outlawed" as some people like to
believe, they had their status removed. Which means
that if you were a samurai before the bakumatsu, you
were NOT still a samurai in the Meiji era. The only
possible exception might be Saigo Takamori and the
Satsuma Rebellion. Listen, no one today is a samurai.
And its really sad to think of yourself as one just
because you follow a code of ethics from the lowest
period in the history of the samurai.
That being said it is great that you follow martial
arts, I do so myself. And I'd be interested in hearing
what all you have to know about the historical
samurai.
--- kyosuke_miyamoto <kyosuke_miyamoto@...>
wrote:
> Hello Everyone, Im Kyosuke. I'm new to the forum and
> all, but I know
> a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient
> japan. I myself,
> follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real
> life Samurai, though
> Samurai's have been outlawed since the late 1800's,
> I still consider
> myself one. I've been to Japan, and studied the
> fighting skills from
> Sensei Ichi Hayamatsu, learned the old culture and
> the respects. And
> with this, I've become a Samurai. I want to be the
> one to say how Im
> honored in joining this forum, and expect a lot of
> great stuff from
> you all as well.
>
> That is all.
> -Kyosuke Miyamoto
>
> P.S. Im also A fanatic of old Samurai Movies. If
> you'd like we can
> talk of them.
>
>
>


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#2683 [2003-12-07 10:50:34]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by sengokudaimyo

The Angry Llama wrote:
> listen, by saying you're a samurai you've just given
> most of us a HUGE headache.

Thank you. You've saved me a lot of aggravated typing.


Tony

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#2685 [2003-12-07 10:55:04]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by klancesegall

First on the forum, now on here. it can't be escaped!

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
> The Angry Llama wrote:
> > listen, by saying you're a samurai you've just
> given
> > most of us a HUGE headache.
>
> Thank you. You've saved me a lot of aggravated
> typing.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>


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#2686 [2003-12-07 11:16:34]

Re: New Member Arrival

by iganokami

It makes far more sense to call yourself a "dedicated follower of
Bushido" rather than a "Samurai" for an almost infinite number of
reasons reasons. Let's put it this way,

"Some Samurai followed Bushido, but Bushido was not followed by all
Samurai. You follow Bushido. That does not make you a Samurai."

We'll even ignore the fact that 'Samurai' was a social class, and
not a product of Bushido, but Bushido was a product of a few Samurai
with nothing better to do than justify their lecherous existence
during the Edo period, and then gathered a following because it made
them look honorable and useful.

I'm surprised that you think this way if you've been to Japan, as
you should know that any remnants of bushido are long, long gone in
that society, and I Gaijin attempting to play Samurai would be
thought a moron at best.

> ....a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient japan. I
myself,
> follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real life Samurai,
though
> Samurai's have been outlawed since the late 1800's, I still
consider
> myself one.

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#2688 [2003-12-07 11:03:47]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by twheels2many

Hey Angry Lllama

That is true what you said about the hagakure being a rather late development (1716), but I
figure Yamamoto Tsunetomo was "standing on the shoulders" of those who went before him.
To say that there was no bushido before 1716... is it really fair to claim that? Just because it
wasn't written down? Sure, it may have varied from region to region and era to era, but the
samurai as a caste surely had a set of expectations or ethics - whether self-imposed or
imposed by others. If I'm way off base, let me know. Related to this, I'd like to know: is there
any evidence for "bushido" prior to the Hagakure? What are the other main pieces of samurai
literature?

Thanks.

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#2689 [2003-12-07 11:09:10]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by damarcyman

i dont say im a samurai. but i know some stuf about them, if some one can tell me where to find some books about bushido please help me.

The Angry Llama <klancesegall@...> wrote:listen, by saying you're a samurai you've just given
most of us a HUGE headache.
You DO know that the Bushido was an invention of the
Edo era to keep samurai in line and give them a
purpose in society? that the only people who EVER used
bushido in combat were the Shinsen gumi, and that it
showed a marvelous FAILURE? No, by following the
Bushido you are NOT a samurai, you are a
dissillusioned individual.
The samurai were not "outlawed" as some people like to
believe, they had their status removed. Which means
that if you were a samurai before the bakumatsu, you
were NOT still a samurai in the Meiji era. The only
possible exception might be Saigo Takamori and the
Satsuma Rebellion. Listen, no one today is a samurai.
And its really sad to think of yourself as one just
because you follow a code of ethics from the lowest
period in the history of the samurai.
That being said it is great that you follow martial
arts, I do so myself. And I'd be interested in hearing
what all you have to know about the historical
samurai.
--- kyosuke_miyamoto <kyosuke_miyamoto@...>
wrote:
> Hello Everyone, Im Kyosuke. I'm new to the forum and
> all, but I know
> a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient
> japan. I myself,
> follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real
> life Samurai, though
> Samurai's have been outlawed since the late 1800's,
> I still consider
> myself one. I've been to Japan, and studied the
> fighting skills from
> Sensei Ichi Hayamatsu, learned the old culture and
> the respects. And
> with this, I've become a Samurai. I want to be the
> one to say how Im
> honored in joining this forum, and expect a lot of
> great stuff from
> you all as well.
>
> That is all.
> -Kyosuke Miyamoto
>
> P.S. Im also A fanatic of old Samurai Movies. If
> you'd like we can
> talk of them.
>
>
>


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#2690 [2003-12-07 11:36:32]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: New Member Arrival

by klancesegall

well said.

--- iganokami <intp@...> wrote:
> It makes far more sense to call yourself a
> "dedicated follower of
> Bushido" rather than a "Samurai" for an almost
> infinite number of
> reasons reasons. Let's put it this way,
>
> "Some Samurai followed Bushido, but Bushido was not
> followed by all
> Samurai. You follow Bushido. That does not make
> you a Samurai."
>
> We'll even ignore the fact that 'Samurai' was a
> social class, and
> not a product of Bushido, but Bushido was a product
> of a few Samurai
> with nothing better to do than justify their
> lecherous existence
> during the Edo period, and then gathered a following
> because it made
> them look honorable and useful.
>
> I'm surprised that you think this way if you've been
> to Japan, as
> you should know that any remnants of bushido are
> long, long gone in
> that society, and I Gaijin attempting to play
> Samurai would be
> thought a moron at best.
>
> > ....a great lot about samurai, weapons, and
> ancient japan. I
> myself,
> > follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real
> life Samurai,
> though
> > Samurai's have been outlawed since the late
> 1800's, I still
> consider
> > myself one.
>
>


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#2691 [2003-12-07 11:55:02]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by sengokudaimyo

The Angry Llama wrote:

> First on the forum, now on here. it can't be escaped!

I know. Sigh.

Lord, I need a drink.


Tony

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#2693 [2003-12-07 12:09:36]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by sengokudaimyo

golfmandan@... wrote:

> Hey Angry Lllama
>
> That is true what you said about the hagakure being a rather late development
> (1716), but I figure Yamamoto Tsunetomo was "standing on the shoulders" of
> those who went before him.

Not quite. He was an old guy from a failed clan writing in a time of peace about
events and ideals centuries behind him that he had no first-hand knowledge of.
As one of my profs put it, "it was the demented writings of a wannabe warrior
with a death fixation from a failed clan."


Tony

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#2695 [2003-12-07 12:12:25]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by klancesegall

what he said.

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
> golfmandan@... wrote:
>
> > Hey Angry Lllama
> >
> > That is true what you said about the hagakure
> being a rather late development
> > (1716), but I figure Yamamoto Tsunetomo was
> "standing on the shoulders" of
> > those who went before him.
>
> Not quite. He was an old guy from a failed clan
> writing in a time of peace about
> events and ideals centuries behind him that he had
> no first-hand knowledge of.
> As one of my profs put it, "it was the demented
> writings of a wannabe warrior
> with a death fixation from a failed clan."
>
>
> Tony
>
>


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#2696 [2003-12-07 12:14:14]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by klancesegall

i would save the money from buying books like
"hagakure" and "bushido shoshinsu" and spend it on
some historical books. a good place to start would be
amazon.com, just type in "samurai history" or "samurai
(time period, i.e. sengoku, bakumatsu, muromachi)".
--- marc kemp <damarcyman@...> wrote:
> i dont say im a samurai. but i know some stuf about
> them, if some one can tell me where to find some
> books about bushido please help me.
>
> The Angry Llama <klancesegall@...>
> wrote:listen, by saying you're a samurai you've just
> given
> most of us a HUGE headache.
> You DO know that the Bushido was an invention of the
> Edo era to keep samurai in line and give them a
> purpose in society? that the only people who EVER
> used
> bushido in combat were the Shinsen gumi, and that it
> showed a marvelous FAILURE? No, by following the
> Bushido you are NOT a samurai, you are a
> dissillusioned individual.
> The samurai were not "outlawed" as some people like
> to
> believe, they had their status removed. Which means
> that if you were a samurai before the bakumatsu, you
> were NOT still a samurai in the Meiji era. The only
> possible exception might be Saigo Takamori and the
> Satsuma Rebellion. Listen, no one today is a
> samurai.
> And its really sad to think of yourself as one just
> because you follow a code of ethics from the lowest
> period in the history of the samurai.
> That being said it is great that you follow martial
> arts, I do so myself. And I'd be interested in
> hearing
> what all you have to know about the historical
> samurai.
> --- kyosuke_miyamoto <kyosuke_miyamoto@...>
> wrote:
> > Hello Everyone, Im Kyosuke. I'm new to the forum
> and
> > all, but I know
> > a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient
> > japan. I myself,
> > follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real
> > life Samurai, though
> > Samurai's have been outlawed since the late
> 1800's,
> > I still consider
> > myself one. I've been to Japan, and studied the
> > fighting skills from
> > Sensei Ichi Hayamatsu, learned the old culture and
> > the respects. And
> > with this, I've become a Samurai. I want to be the
> > one to say how Im
> > honored in joining this forum, and expect a lot of
> > great stuff from
> > you all as well.
> >
> > That is all.
> > -Kyosuke Miyamoto
> >
> > P.S. Im also A fanatic of old Samurai Movies. If
> > you'd like we can
> > talk of them.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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#2697 [2003-12-07 12:20:17]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by klancesegall

you're way off base. the bushido existed before the
hagakure, sure, but not before the edo period's peace
had set in. there was no legendary loyalty to one's
lord, no incredible loyalty to death, none of that
stuff. there were very brave samurai, and some very,
very smart leaders, but nothing quite like the
hagakure expounds, and they were still generally in
the minority. the fighting samurai were really not all
that different from fighters around the world... they
were in for reward and wanted to live. the thing that
fascinates me the most about the samurai was their
intelligence and adaptability; take the gun, for
example. after the portuguese introduced it, the
japanese immediatly improved upon it, and began using
tactics more advanced than the very europeans who had
invented it.

--- golfmandan@... wrote:
> Hey Angry Lllama
>
> That is true what you said about the hagakure being
> a rather late development (1716), but I
> figure Yamamoto Tsunetomo was "standing on the
> shoulders" of those who went before him.
> To say that there was no bushido before 1716... is
> it really fair to claim that? Just because it
> wasn't written down? Sure, it may have varied from
> region to region and era to era, but the
> samurai as a caste surely had a set of expectations
> or ethics - whether self-imposed or
> imposed by others. If I'm way off base, let me know.
> Related to this, I'd like to know: is there
> any evidence for "bushido" prior to the Hagakure?
> What are the other main pieces of samurai
> literature?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>


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#2705 [2003-12-07 18:02:08]

Re: New Member Arrival

by kyosuke_miyamoto

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony J. Bryant"
wrote:
> The Angry Llama wrote:
>
> > First on the forum, now on here. it can't be escaped!
>
> I know. Sigh.
>
> Lord, I need a drink.
>
>
> Tony

Thank you all for your bashing...I shall never forget you

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#2715 [2003-12-07 20:14:24]

Re: New Member Arrival

by kitsuno

> Thank you all for your bashing...I shall never forget you

Ah, don't take it personally. Some people hand out knowledge on a
platter seasoned with sugar and spice, and others smack you in the
head with it like a baseball bat. The important thing is the lesson
learned.

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#2720 [2003-12-07 23:16:32]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by burker94509

Kyosuke,

Welcome to the group. I have a question about samurai movies. Have
there been any movies made about the Satsuma Rebellion of 1877?

I just saw "The Last Samurai" today and I enjoyed it very much, despite
the historical liberties that were taken. But I was wondering if anyone in
Japan has made a more historically accurate movie about that period?

Bob Burke


In a message dated 12/7/03 9:46:51 AM, kyosuke_miyamoto@... writes:

<< Hello Everyone, Im Kyosuke. I'm new to the forum and all, but I know

a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient japan. I myself,

follow the Bushido, so you could say I am a real life Samurai, though

Samurai's have been outlawed since the late 1800's, I still consider

myself one. I've been to Japan, and studied the fighting skills from

Sensei Ichi Hayamatsu, learned the old culture and the respects. And

with this, I've become a Samurai. I want to be the one to say how Im

honored in joining this forum, and expect a lot of great stuff from

you all as well.


That is all.

-Kyosuke Miyamoto


P.S. Im also A fanatic of old Samurai Movies. If you'd like we can

talk of them.




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#2732 [2003-12-08 06:56:33]

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by lost90804

From: burker1@...

>Kyosuke,
>
> Welcome to the group. I have a question about samurai movies. Have
>there been any movies made about the Satsuma Rebellion of 1877?
>
> I just saw "The Last Samurai" today and I enjoyed it very much, despite
>the historical liberties that were taken. But I was wondering if anyone in
>Japan has made a more historically accurate movie about that period?
>
>
>
I don't know about accuracy, but there have been TV dramas and the like
that have been made. I think next year's NHK Taiga drama is a Meiji
piece. Too bad, I was kind of hoping for another Musashi! What a greedy
pig I am.

Jim Eckman

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#2753 [2003-12-08 20:23:50]

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by soshuju

Bob et al
Look for the film "Bushido Blade", which has at least as many
screamers in it but to me was more entertaining and more accurate. As
for Japanese films, they tend to focus on individuals. Films about
Sakamoto Ryoma being in the majority,'Ronin' I think is one of them.
Also look for the film Bakumatsu(The Ambitious). In the area of Taiga
dramas there is a lot more to choose from Ryoma ga yuku, Saigo Takamori
and Tokugawa Keiki, being some of the recent ones worth watching.
-t

There are a lot of great films set in this period, terrific chanbara
but they tend to only hint at the politcal situation...

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#2757 [2003-12-08 21:49:22]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by burker94509

Thanks for the information. I do have a follow up question. What is a Taiga
drama and where could I rent the one about Saigo Takamori? Is there any
chance it has English subtitles?

There was a 50-part Japanese TV show that was shown on the San Francisco
Asian station several years ago. It was called TOBU GA GOTUKU and was about the
Meji Restoration and went up through the Satsuma Rebellion. Fortunately, I
learned about it somewhere around episode 32. I was able to watch the episodes
on the Satsuma Rebellion. Thank God they had English subtitles.

Bob Burke


In a message dated 12/8/03 7:25:16 PM, junkmail@... writes:

<< Bob et al
Look for the film "Bushido Blade", which has at least as many
screamers in it but to me was more entertaining and more accurate. As
for Japanese films, they tend to focus on individuals. Films about
Sakamoto Ryoma being in the majority,'Ronin' I think is one of them.
Also look for the film Bakumatsu(The Ambitious). In the area of Taiga
dramas there is a lot more to choose from Ryoma ga yuku, Saigo Takamori
and Tokugawa Keiki, being some of the recent ones worth watching.
-t

There are a lot of great films set in this period, terrific chanbara
but they tend to only hint at the politcal situation...



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#2760 [2003-12-09 06:41:07]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by samuraiwm

Taiga Drama is a year long historical drama (about 49 episodes; used to be
50) that airs from January to December. It started in 1963. Most of the
dramas take place in the sengoku or bakumatsu period. They usually have the
biggest stars in Japan. This years which just finished here in Japan was
Musashi, next years will be Shinsengumi. A condensed version is often shown
at the end of the year, and this it was is available on video and DVD (Tobu
Ga Gotuku is one of them). the only full length one I have seen released is
1983s Tokugawa Ieyasu. The ones available here are of course without
subtitles.

Another miniseries about Saigo Takamori is Takarazaka with Satomi Kotaro.
Its about 4hrs long and is on Video. Its also shown frequently on cable. The
Family Channel here in Japan will repeat it as well as some other recent
jidai geki over the shogatsu holidays.

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#2762 [2003-12-09 07:47:55]

Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival

by ltdomer98

Try a bookstore? Or Amazon.com?

I don't want to sound too unhelpful here, but a lot of
us have been on this board and studying samurai
history for a long time. PLEASE don't come here, all
you newbie Last Samurai types, and expect

a. that the movie is the be all end all of Samurai
history.

b. That you can talk intelligently without ever
picking up a book.

c. that everyone else on here has the same ideas about
becoming samurai/whatever. Several people on here are
published authors on the subject--if they tell you
you're wrong, you are. Take it like men.

Now, about books, there is an extensive bibliography
on the www.samurai-archives.com website. Go there,
look at it, and start reading. If we have to explain
the whole history of the samurai every time someone
new asks, we'll never do anything but that. Again, I'm
not trying to be unhelpful--the most helpful thing I
can do is tell you to start reading! It will save us
all heartache and acrimony if you even just look at
the website first, rather than charging in here with
notions that Hollywood is History.

Read the website, get some books at the library, read
the discussion board...

Thanks,

Nate

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> them, if some one can tell me where to find some
> books about bushido please help me.
>
> The Angry Llama <klancesegall@...>
> wrote:listen, by saying you're a samurai you've just
> given
> most of us a HUGE headache.
> You DO know that the Bushido was an invention of the
> Edo era to keep samurai in line and give them a
> purpose in society? that the only people who EVER
> used
> bushido in combat were the Shinsen gumi, and that it
> showed a marvelous FAILURE? No, by following the
> Bushido you are NOT a samurai, you are a
> dissillusioned individual.
> The samurai were not "outlawed" as some people like
> to
> believe, they had their status removed. Which means
> that if you were a samurai before the bakumatsu, you
> were NOT still a samurai in the Meiji era. The only
> possible exception might be Saigo Takamori and the
> Satsuma Rebellion. Listen, no one today is a
> samurai.
> And its really sad to think of yourself as one just
> because you follow a code of ethics from the lowest
> period in the history of the samurai.
> That being said it is great that you follow martial
> arts, I do so myself. And I'd be interested in
> hearing
> what all you have to know about the historical
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> and
> > all, but I know
> > a great lot about samurai, weapons, and ancient
> > japan. I myself,
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> > life Samurai, though
> > Samurai's have been outlawed since the late
> 1800's,
> > I still consider
> > myself one. I've been to Japan, and studied the
> > fighting skills from
> > Sensei Ichi Hayamatsu, learned the old culture and
> > the respects. And
> > with this, I've become a Samurai. I want to be the
> > one to say how Im
> > honored in joining this forum, and expect a lot of
> > great stuff from
> > you all as well.
> >
> > That is all.
> > -Kyosuke Miyamoto
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#2787 [2003-12-09 21:56:19]

Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by cepooooo

There are actually Japanese video-stores in the US that carry the whole
collections. I have saw them in LA, and even here, our 'Nippon Video'
in Honolulu have many. They carry Japanese versions, non subtitled, and
the quality is often so-so, because they use very cheap quality tapes,
and probably make copies of copies of copies of copies.
However, I have bought 'Matsu to Toshiie,' (25 tapes!!!) and I actually
like it. They usually cost $3 to 5 per VHs, and every VHS carries 2
episodes (and some commercial!!!).
If anybody needs a certain series, I might go after Christmas and see
if they have it. Usually they carry only recent stuff, thou, say from
the last 3-4 years. They have a few mini-series as well, and quite a
few old samurai videos (illegal copies, of course, made from original
Japanese videotapes they sell for an exorbitant $20 each!!).
What I dream to do one day, is to buy a DVD-R and put the whole stuff
on DVD. Then it would be much easier to preserve the quality and to
share.

One question: does anybody have a 'chronology' of the Taiga drama??
What was shown on a certain year and so on...?

cepo

On Dec 9, 2003, at 4:41 AM, William&Mikiko Letham wrote:

> Taiga Drama is a year long historical drama (about 49 episodes; used
> to be
> 50) that airs from January to December. It started in 1963. Most of the
> dramas take place in the sengoku or bakumatsu period. They usually
> have the
> biggest stars in Japan. This years which just finished here in Japan
> was
> Musashi, next years will be Shinsengumi. A condensed version is often
> shown
> at the end of the year, and this it was is available on video and DVD
> (Tobu
> Ga Gotuku is one of them). the only full length one I have seen
> released is
> 1983s Tokugawa Ieyasu. The ones available here are of course without
> subtitles.
>
> Another miniseries about Saigo Takamori is Takarazaka with Satomi
> Kotaro.
> Its about 4hrs long and is on Video. Its also shown frequently on
> cable. The
> Family Channel here in Japan will repeat it as well as some other
> recent
> jidai geki over the shogatsu holidays.
>
>
>
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#2793 [2003-12-10 05:44:28]

Re: Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by samuraiwm

"One question: does anybody have a 'chronology' of the Taiga drama??
What was shown on a certain year and so on...?"

Here goes

1963 Hana no Shogai (Ii Naosuke) This one aired from April to December
1964 Ako Roshi (Chushingura) This was the first full length year long drama.
1965 Taiko-Ki (Hideyoshi)
1966 Minamoto Yoshitsune
1967 San Shimai (Three sisters from Bakumastu to Meiji)
1968 Ryoma Ga Yuku (Sakamoto Ryoma)
1969 Ten to Chi to (Uesugi Kenshin) The first one in color.
1970 Momi no ki wa Nokkota (Harada Kai)
1971 Haru no Sakamichi (Yagyu Munenori)
1972 Shin Heiki Monogatari
1973 Kunitori Monogatari (Saito Dosan)
1974 Katsu Kaishu
1975 Genroku Taiheiki (Chushingura again!)
1976 Kaza to Kumo to Niji to (Taira Masakado)
1977 Kashin (Choshu in Bakumatsu)
1978 Ogon no Hibi (Sengoku merchants in the Philipines)
1979 Kusa Moueru (Hojo Masako)
1980 Shishi no Jidai (Two samurai in the Bakumatsu-Meiji period)
1981 Onna Taiko-ki (Nene's story)
1982 Toge no Gunzo (Chushingura once again!)
1983 Tokugawa Ieyasu
1984 Sanga Moyu (WWII)
1985 Haru no Hato (Taisho period womens story)
1986 Inochi (Post WWII)
1987 Doku ganryu Masamune (Date Masamune)
1988 Takeda Shingen
1989 Kasuga Tsubone
1990 Tobu Ga Gotoku (Saigo Takamori & Okubo Toshimichi)
1991 Taiheiki (Nanbokucho period)
1992 Nobunaga
1993 Ryuku no Kaze (Okinawa in Early Edo) This drama ran for 6 months
followed by
1993/94 Homura Tatsu (Oshu Fujiwara) This one ran from July 93 to March 94
1994 Hana no Ran (Onin no Ran) This ran from April to December
1995 Hachi Dai Shogun Yoshimune
1996 Hideyoshi
1997 Mori Motonari
1998 Tokugawa Yoshinobu
1999 Genroku Ryoran (Chushingura yet again!!!!!)
2000 Aoi Tokugawa Sandai (first 3 Tokugawa Shoguns)
2001 Hojo Tokimune
2002 Toshiie to Matsu
2003 Musashi
2004 Shinsengumi
2005 Yoshitsune

Every year end there are dozens of companion books to go along with the
upcoming series that also gives some info on past series.

[Previous #2787] [Next #2806]

#2806 [2003-12-10 15:22:43]

Re: Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by cepooooo

Thank you so much!!
cepo

On Dec 10, 2003, at 3:44 AM, William&Mikiko Letham wrote:

>
> 1963  Hana no Shogai (Ii Naosuke) This one aired from April to December
> 1964 Ako Roshi (Chushingura) This was the first full length year long
> drama.
> 1965 Taiko-Ki (Hideyoshi)
> 1966 Minamoto Yoshitsune
> 1967 San Shimai (Three sisters from Bakumastu to Meiji)
> 1968 Ryoma Ga Yuku (Sakamoto Ryoma)
> 1969 Ten to Chi to (Uesugi Kenshin) The first one in color.
> 1970 Momi no ki wa Nokkota (Harada Kai)
> 1971 Haru no Sakamichi (Yagyu Munenori)
> 1972 Shin Heiki Monogatari
> 1973 Kunitori Monogatari (Saito Dosan)
> 1974 Katsu Kaishu
> 1975 Genroku Taiheiki (Chushingura again!)
> 1976 Kaza to Kumo to Niji to (Taira Masakado)
> 1977 Kashin (Choshu in Bakumatsu)
> 1978 Ogon no Hibi (Sengoku merchants in the Philipines)
> 1979 Kusa Moueru (Hojo Masako)
> 1980 Shishi no Jidai (Two samurai in the Bakumatsu-Meiji period)
> 1981 Onna Taiko-ki (Nene's story)
> 1982 Toge no Gunzo (Chushingura once again!)
> 1983 Tokugawa Ieyasu
> 1984 Sanga Moyu (WWII)
> 1985 Haru no Hato (Taisho period womens story)
> 1986 Inochi (Post WWII)
> 1987 Doku ganryu Masamune (Date Masamune)
> 1988 Takeda Shingen
> 1989 Kasuga Tsubone
> 1990 Tobu Ga Gotoku (Saigo Takamori & Okubo Toshimichi)
> 1991 Taiheiki (Nanbokucho period)
> 1992 Nobunaga
> 1993 Ryuku no Kaze (Okinawa in Early Edo) This drama ran for 6 months
> followed by
> 1993/94 Homura Tatsu (Oshu Fujiwara) This one ran from July 93 to
> March 94
> 1994 Hana no Ran (Onin no Ran) This ran from April to December
> 1995 Hachi Dai Shogun Yoshimune
> 1996 Hideyoshi
> 1997 Mori Motonari
> 1998 Tokugawa Yoshinobu
> 1999 Genroku Ryoran (Chushingura yet again!!!!!)
> 2000 Aoi Tokugawa Sandai (first 3 Tokugawa Shoguns)
> 2001 Hojo Tokimune
> 2002 Toshiie to Matsu
> 2003 Musashi
> 2004 Shinsengumi
> 2005 Yoshitsune
>


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#2814 [2003-12-10 14:25:35]

Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by klancesegall

That 1969 Ten to Chi to... is that anything to do with the 1990 Ten
to Chi to? I notice both feature Uesugi Kenshin.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "William&Mikiko Letham"
wrote:
> "One question: does anybody have a 'chronology' of the Taiga
drama??
> What was shown on a certain year and so on...?"
>
> Here goes
>
> 1963 Hana no Shogai (Ii Naosuke) This one aired from April to
December
> 1964 Ako Roshi (Chushingura) This was the first full length year
long drama.
> 1965 Taiko-Ki (Hideyoshi)
> 1966 Minamoto Yoshitsune
> 1967 San Shimai (Three sisters from Bakumastu to Meiji)
> 1968 Ryoma Ga Yuku (Sakamoto Ryoma)
> 1969 Ten to Chi to (Uesugi Kenshin) The first one in color.
> 1970 Momi no ki wa Nokkota (Harada Kai)
> 1971 Haru no Sakamichi (Yagyu Munenori)
> 1972 Shin Heiki Monogatari
> 1973 Kunitori Monogatari (Saito Dosan)
> 1974 Katsu Kaishu
> 1975 Genroku Taiheiki (Chushingura again!)
> 1976 Kaza to Kumo to Niji to (Taira Masakado)
> 1977 Kashin (Choshu in Bakumatsu)
> 1978 Ogon no Hibi (Sengoku merchants in the Philipines)
> 1979 Kusa Moueru (Hojo Masako)
> 1980 Shishi no Jidai (Two samurai in the Bakumatsu-Meiji period)
> 1981 Onna Taiko-ki (Nene's story)
> 1982 Toge no Gunzo (Chushingura once again!)
> 1983 Tokugawa Ieyasu
> 1984 Sanga Moyu (WWII)
> 1985 Haru no Hato (Taisho period womens story)
> 1986 Inochi (Post WWII)
> 1987 Doku ganryu Masamune (Date Masamune)
> 1988 Takeda Shingen
> 1989 Kasuga Tsubone
> 1990 Tobu Ga Gotoku (Saigo Takamori & Okubo Toshimichi)
> 1991 Taiheiki (Nanbokucho period)
> 1992 Nobunaga
> 1993 Ryuku no Kaze (Okinawa in Early Edo) This drama ran for 6
months
> followed by
> 1993/94 Homura Tatsu (Oshu Fujiwara) This one ran from July 93 to
March 94
> 1994 Hana no Ran (Onin no Ran) This ran from April to December
> 1995 Hachi Dai Shogun Yoshimune
> 1996 Hideyoshi
> 1997 Mori Motonari
> 1998 Tokugawa Yoshinobu
> 1999 Genroku Ryoran (Chushingura yet again!!!!!)
> 2000 Aoi Tokugawa Sandai (first 3 Tokugawa Shoguns)
> 2001 Hojo Tokimune
> 2002 Toshiie to Matsu
> 2003 Musashi
> 2004 Shinsengumi
> 2005 Yoshitsune
>
> Every year end there are dozens of companion books to go along
with the
> upcoming series that also gives some info on past series.

[Previous #2806] [Next #2818]

#2818 [2003-12-10 14:44:25]

Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by klancesegall

also, is there a reputable online store (or store in the tampa bay
area) where i can buy/rent these?

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "William&Mikiko Letham"
wrote:
> "One question: does anybody have a 'chronology' of the Taiga
drama??
> What was shown on a certain year and so on...?"
>
> Here goes
>
> 1963 Hana no Shogai (Ii Naosuke) This one aired from April to
December
> 1964 Ako Roshi (Chushingura) This was the first full length year
long drama.
> 1965 Taiko-Ki (Hideyoshi)
> 1966 Minamoto Yoshitsune
> 1967 San Shimai (Three sisters from Bakumastu to Meiji)
> 1968 Ryoma Ga Yuku (Sakamoto Ryoma)
> 1969 Ten to Chi to (Uesugi Kenshin) The first one in color.
> 1970 Momi no ki wa Nokkota (Harada Kai)
> 1971 Haru no Sakamichi (Yagyu Munenori)
> 1972 Shin Heiki Monogatari
> 1973 Kunitori Monogatari (Saito Dosan)
> 1974 Katsu Kaishu
> 1975 Genroku Taiheiki (Chushingura again!)
> 1976 Kaza to Kumo to Niji to (Taira Masakado)
> 1977 Kashin (Choshu in Bakumatsu)
> 1978 Ogon no Hibi (Sengoku merchants in the Philipines)
> 1979 Kusa Moueru (Hojo Masako)
> 1980 Shishi no Jidai (Two samurai in the Bakumatsu-Meiji period)
> 1981 Onna Taiko-ki (Nene's story)
> 1982 Toge no Gunzo (Chushingura once again!)
> 1983 Tokugawa Ieyasu
> 1984 Sanga Moyu (WWII)
> 1985 Haru no Hato (Taisho period womens story)
> 1986 Inochi (Post WWII)
> 1987 Doku ganryu Masamune (Date Masamune)
> 1988 Takeda Shingen
> 1989 Kasuga Tsubone
> 1990 Tobu Ga Gotoku (Saigo Takamori & Okubo Toshimichi)
> 1991 Taiheiki (Nanbokucho period)
> 1992 Nobunaga
> 1993 Ryuku no Kaze (Okinawa in Early Edo) This drama ran for 6
months
> followed by
> 1993/94 Homura Tatsu (Oshu Fujiwara) This one ran from July 93 to
March 94
> 1994 Hana no Ran (Onin no Ran) This ran from April to December
> 1995 Hachi Dai Shogun Yoshimune
> 1996 Hideyoshi
> 1997 Mori Motonari
> 1998 Tokugawa Yoshinobu
> 1999 Genroku Ryoran (Chushingura yet again!!!!!)
> 2000 Aoi Tokugawa Sandai (first 3 Tokugawa Shoguns)
> 2001 Hojo Tokimune
> 2002 Toshiie to Matsu
> 2003 Musashi
> 2004 Shinsengumi
> 2005 Yoshitsune
>
> Every year end there are dozens of companion books to go along
with the
> upcoming series that also gives some info on past series.

[Previous #2814] [Next #2824]

#2824 [2003-12-11 05:36:07]

Re: Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by samuraiwm

Well I live in Japan so I only know where to get them here. Here they are
pretty expensive running several 100 dollars each.

[Previous #2818] [Next #2825]

#2825 [2003-12-11 05:34:52]

Re: Taiga Drama Videos (was:Re: [samuraihistory] New Member Arrival)

by samuraiwm

Its basically the same story. I'll check and see who the writers were.

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