Re: The Last Samurai

FYI - The latest issue of Premiere Magazine has and armored-up Tom
Cruise on the cover, and a fairly long article about the movie
inside, for anyone interested.

From the people who have already seen "the last samurai" - any
opinions?

I give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 -- I thought it was pretty well done,
and the 'historical accuracy' didn't really bother me one way or the
other because my knowledge of 1870's Japan is almost nil, but also
because it seemed more like a fantasy with Japanese samurai in a
country similar to Japan rather than a movie that is supposed to be
based in Japan and historically accurate. Probably because to me it
didn't really 'look' like Japan - the mountains and scenery didn't
look right (probably because it was filmed in New Zealand) and the
plot treated the 'samurai' almost like a backwards indian tribe
rather than any sort of politically or socially viable group -
taking the 'dances with wolves' bit a little too far.

It was good pop fiction, but I dread to think how many people will
take it as pure history...

I have just seen The Last Samurai. Anyone else seen it, and if so
what did you think? I found it very emotional, which is strange,
because I am not an emotional person.

P.S How historically accurate was it?

I found it extremely entertaining, in my opinion it is a very good
movie. It is loosely based on historic events and you have to remember
that it is only a movie, fiction. Some people will say it is crap since
it is not 100% historically accurate. I don't agree with that point of
view. It should be judged as a movie and a movie only.

-Matthew.




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Onderwerp: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai


I have just seen The Last Samurai. Anyone else seen it, and if so
what did you think? I found it very emotional, which is strange,
because I am not an emotional person.

P.S How historically accurate was it?



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I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
-Matthew Upton


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I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
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To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
-Matthew Upton


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Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
From: Mmupton1@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
-Matthew Upton


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I still dont think it could happen, it looked to me as if it sliced thru the action.. true, it probably was the best on the field that day (well except for after about the first 15 minutes that Tom had been fighting), but how hard Tom could swing that sword, momentum and downward force and strength have a lot to do w/ that as well..


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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:22:02
From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


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--------- Original Message ---------
DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
From: Mmupton1@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
-Matthew Upton


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Historically it was as accurate as... Gladiator: not much. The setting
is historically sound, the events are pure Hollywood fiction, but why
not? People loved it!! I think all over it was a good movie, even with
all its inconsistencies. I especially enjoyed the part when Algren is
"prisoner' in the Japanese village, and "learns" to be Japanese. The
first battle (in the forest) was EXCELLENT as well. The scene with the
samurai coming out of the mist... Kurosawa himself would have loved
that.

*** SPOILER DOWN HERE ***

The lamest part was at the end, when the Emperor refused to sign a deal
with the Americans just because of Algren bringing back Katsumoto's
sword. That was a bit like... mmmmhhhh... I was happy thou that Algren
went back to his girlfriend (Ok, ok, I know I'm cheesy...)

Anyway, good movie, and I'll buy the DVD as soon as it comes out.
cepo

On Jan 10, 2004, at 7:48 AM, spud10000 wrote:

> I have just seen The Last Samurai. Anyone else seen it, and if so
> what did you think? I found it very emotional, which is strange,
> because I am not an emotional person.
>
> P.S How historically accurate was it?

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My favorite parts of this movie were - the first battle, and the training with the wooden practice swords.
Least enjoyable - those iron lined sayas that make that annoying metal on metal 'swing' sound EVERY time a sword is drawn,
(the polisher in that town must work alot of overtime.)
all in all I liked it, I give it 4 stars out of 5

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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai


Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
From: Mmupton1@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
-Matthew Upton


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I thought the movie was very entertaining. I throughly enjoyed it.
The movie is loosely based on the samurai revolt during the Meiji
Restoration. During the 1860's three samurai lead efforts to restore
imperial rule. However, one of the samurai wanted to modernize the
country while the other two did not. The two samurai lead
approximately 10,000 followers in revolt which lasted aproximately
seven months. The revolt wasn't so much against modernization but
aginast the loss of status, power, food and wealth of the samurai.

Wayne

In one of my books, there is an old drawing of a katana slicing through a steel helmet. This is a different situation, but not terribly so. I have also seen video demonstrations of custom made Katanas being used to break clean through rapiers/broadswords of top quality European manufacture. It's not above such a sword's capability to do something like that given enough force, like you said. (The rifles these guys were carrying could also have been cheaply made)

I think that from the film's perspective, and for that of the public viewing it, this was almost a necessary scene. The Samurai sword has always had a reputation for hardness and cutting power, but most of the Western world doesn't know about it, no matter how many episodes of 'Highlander' they might have watched. It was a nice example of one of Japan's main contributions to military technology.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:
I still dont think it could happen, it looked to me as if it sliced thru the action.. true, it probably was the best on the field that day (well except for after about the first 15 minutes that Tom had been fighting), but how hard Tom could swing that sword, momentum and downward force and strength have a lot to do w/ that as well..


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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:22:02
From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


--

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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
From: Mmupton1@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
-Matthew Upton


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The real battle of Shinoyama (That the final battle in this movie is loosely based on) didn't end much different than the one in the film. The samurai were gunned down nearly to the last man, and Saigo (Katsumoto) died early in the battle after being injured in the groin by a bullet and his aide assited him with committing hara-kiri, and then charged off into the battle only to be killed himself later on.

The battle in the forest was almost 'scary' to me. The sight of the armoured Samurai was awe inspiring. I would have run myself if I were one of those conscript soldiers.

Algren's integration with the Japanese was interesting. Here is a guy who apparently cannot be killed in battle (this kind of thing has been written about before) who wants terribly to die and be rid of his guilt over killing innocents. He finds comfort in the religious lifestyle of the samurai and finds that he can redeem himself by fighting for them. The end was perfect to me. The battle could have been better (I agree with others that it was too similar to Braveheart's battle of Falkirk, although it did not detract from the film at all). Algren's appearance before Emperor Meiji (nice touch with him struggling to walk from all his injuries) and begging the Emperor to hear Katsumoto's voice in the form of the rebellion and slow down the modernization of Japan was great. (Look at what it got them into later on)

Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
Historically it was as accurate as... Gladiator: not much. The setting
is historically sound, the events are pure Hollywood fiction, but why
not? People loved it!! I think all over it was a good movie, even with
all its inconsistencies. I especially enjoyed the part when Algren is
"prisoner' in the Japanese village, and "learns" to be Japanese. The
first battle (in the forest) was EXCELLENT as well. The scene with the
samurai coming out of the mist... Kurosawa himself would have loved
that.

*** SPOILER DOWN HERE ***

The lamest part was at the end, when the Emperor refused to sign a deal
with the Americans just because of Algren bringing back Katsumoto's
sword. That was a bit like... mmmmhhhh... I was happy thou that Algren
went back to his girlfriend (Ok, ok, I know I'm cheesy...)

Anyway, good movie, and I'll buy the DVD as soon as it comes out.
cepo

On Jan 10, 2004, at 7:48 AM, spud10000 wrote:

> I have just seen The Last Samurai. Anyone else seen it, and if so
> what did you think? I found it very emotional, which is strange,
> because I am not an emotional person.
>
> P.S How historically accurate was it?

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"The Last Samurai" is just a friggin movie!!!!!!! Stop analyzing it!!! Dont
you guys have a life?????????? You guys sound like "Trekkies". Why don't you
guys go in the middle of your back yard and perform "sepicu" on yourselves.
IDIOTS!



Lt. Algren


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On Jan 10, 2004, at 7:55 PM, deekinblu@... wrote:

> "The Last Samurai" is just a friggin movie!!!!!!! Stop analyzing it!!!
> Dont
> you guys have a life?????????? You guys sound like "Trekkies". Why
> don't you
> guys go in the middle of your back yard and perform "sepicu" on
> yourselves.
> IDIOTS!
>
>
> �����������������������������������������������������������������������
> ������
> ������������      Lt. Algren

Dear Lt. Algren, yes we have a life, and we use it as we like. That
might include discussing movies.
I find interesting how you ask not to judge a movie, but you judge
PEOPLE - people you don't know.

Regarding the last part of your mail, first of all I do not have a back
yard; second, I might try to do "sepicu," but try to explain what that
is, as I can't find it on any dictionary.

Relax boy, relax...
cepo


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''for that of the public viewing it, this was almost a necessary scene''
Exactly. The people expected it, and so it was done. But the blade would
have suffered too many damages or even bending after such an
unbelievable cut. Even in before WWII are reported some complete cuts of
gun barrels or heavy blades or even maces, in Axis propaganda (even
Italian) but I think it was fiction. I don't know which way the cutted
old gun barrel was made, but the only reference about a damage to a
machine gun barrel I once had, referred to a partial cut and little
bending of the barrel (Bren gun in Malaya campaign). No information
about the blade's damages.

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Da: David Heller [mailto:olasnah@...]
Inviato: domenica 11 gennaio 2004 5.48
A: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: Re: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai

In one of my books, there is an old drawing of a katana slicing through
a steel helmet. This is a different situation, but not terribly so. I
have also seen video demonstrations of custom made Katanas being used to
break clean through rapiers/broadswords of top quality European
manufacture. It's not above such a sword's capability to do something
like that given enough force, like you said. (The rifles these guys were
carrying could also have been cheaply made)

I think that from the film's perspective, and for that of the public
viewing it, this was almost a necessary scene. The Samurai sword has
always had a reputation for hardness and cutting power, but most of the
Western world doesn't know about it, no matter how many episodes of
'Highlander' they might have watched. It was a nice example of one of
Japan's main contributions to military technology.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:
I still dont think it could happen, it looked to me as if it sliced thru
the action.. true, it probably was the best on the field that day (well
except for after about the first 15 minutes that Tom had been fighting),
but how hard Tom could swing that sword, momentum and downward force and
strength have a lot to do w/ that as well..


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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:22:02
From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if
the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that
it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that
Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and
strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was
inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a
movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a
rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on
edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff
too..


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From: Mmupton1@...
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Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think
the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something
like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie.
It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came
out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the
theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though.
Yeah
it was a good movie.
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Yes, Ive seen katanas break other swords too, but that is a thin piece of metal.. maybe a quarter in thickness.. a helmt is a little thicker so that my be more acceptable, but there is no way a sword can cut thru a rifle action.. does anyone here not shoot rifles??

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In one of my books, there is an old drawing of a katana slicing through a steel helmet. This is a different situation, but not terribly so. I have also seen video demonstrations of custom made Katanas being used to break clean through rapiers/broadswords of top quality European manufacture. It's not above such a sword's capability to do something like that given enough force, like you said. (The rifles these guys were carrying could also have been cheaply made)

I think that from the film's perspective, and for that of the public viewing it, this was almost a necessary scene. The Samurai sword has always had a reputation for hardness and cutting power, but most of the Western world doesn't know about it, no matter how many episodes of 'Highlander' they might have watched. It was a nice example of one of Japan's main contributions to military technology.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:
I still dont think it could happen, it looked to me as if it sliced thru the action.. true, it probably was the best on the field that day (well except for after about the first 15 minutes that Tom had been fighting), but how hard Tom could swing that sword, momentum and downward force and strength have a lot to do w/ that as well..


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Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


--

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From: Mmupton1@...
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I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
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Only if you promise to cut off my head if I show the slightest indication of pain. It might be worth it since I cannot get my grass to grow the way I want it, and I have failed my lord (my wife) in this task. She would probably order my death anyway if it stays that way through this next summer.

"The Last Samurai" is just a friggin movie!!!!!!! Stop analyzing it!!! Dont
you guys have a life?????????? You guys sound like "Trekkies". Why don't you
guys go in the middle of your back yard and perform "sepicu" on yourselves.
IDIOTS!



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What does shooting a rifle have to do with getting it broken in half by a sword? Most rifles I fired were all metal. The military doesn't issue muskets anymore.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:Yes, Ive seen katanas break other swords too, but that is a thin piece of metal.. maybe a quarter in thickness.. a helmt is a little thicker so that my be more acceptable, but there is no way a sword can cut thru a rifle action.. does anyone here not shoot rifles??

Wilson


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--------- Original Message ---------
DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:48:00
From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

In one of my books, there is an old drawing of a katana slicing through a steel helmet. This is a different situation, but not terribly so. I have also seen video demonstrations of custom made Katanas being used to break clean through rapiers/broadswords of top quality European manufacture. It's not above such a sword's capability to do something like that given enough force, like you said. (The rifles these guys were carrying could also have been cheaply made)

I think that from the film's perspective, and for that of the public viewing it, this was almost a necessary scene. The Samurai sword has always had a reputation for hardness and cutting power, but most of the Western world doesn't know about it, no matter how many episodes of 'Highlander' they might have watched. It was a nice example of one of Japan's main contributions to military technology.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:
I still dont think it could happen, it looked to me as if it sliced thru the action.. true, it probably was the best on the field that day (well except for after about the first 15 minutes that Tom had been fighting), but how hard Tom could swing that sword, momentum and downward force and strength have a lot to do w/ that as well..


--

--------- Original Message ---------
DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:22:02
From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


--

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DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
From: Mmupton1@...
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Cc:

I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
it was a good movie.
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At the begining of the movie they were shooting what looked like springfield precussion rifles, during the battle, they looked to be bolt actions.. I asked about shooting rifles to make sure I wasnt the only one, and to get someone elses opinion who had a little bit of experience.. but it is jsut a movie.. so whadda I care??

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What does shooting a rifle have to do with getting it broken in half by a sword? Most rifles I fired were all metal. The military doesn't issue muskets anymore.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:Yes, Ive seen katanas break other swords too, but that is a thin piece of metal.. maybe a quarter in thickness.. a helmt is a little thicker so that my be more acceptable, but there is no way a sword can cut thru a rifle action.. does anyone here not shoot rifles??

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From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
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Cc:

In one of my books, there is an old drawing of a katana slicing through a steel helmet. This is a different situation, but not terribly so. I have also seen video demonstrations of custom made Katanas being used to break clean through rapiers/broadswords of top quality European manufacture. It's not above such a sword's capability to do something like that given enough force, like you said. (The rifles these guys were carrying could also have been cheaply made)

I think that from the film's perspective, and for that of the public viewing it, this was almost a necessary scene. The Samurai sword has always had a reputation for hardness and cutting power, but most of the Western world doesn't know about it, no matter how many episodes of 'Highlander' they might have watched. It was a nice example of one of Japan's main contributions to military technology.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:
I still dont think it could happen, it looked to me as if it sliced thru the action.. true, it probably was the best on the field that day (well except for after about the first 15 minutes that Tom had been fighting), but how hard Tom could swing that sword, momentum and downward force and strength have a lot to do w/ that as well..


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From: David Heller <olasnah@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.

Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..


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I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
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I still dont know what you're talking about with the "gunpowder
rebellion"... no such thing is in samurai history. it was LOOSELY
based off of the SATSUMA rebellion, but the last battle was
completely fictional. the satsuma ex-samurai had NO horses (a few
higher ranking members, like saigo takamori, may have been mounted),
and they fought with rifles. there was a final suicide charge, but
only after months of rather successful resistance.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Mmupton1@c... wrote:
> I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I
think the
> battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place,
something like the
> gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good
movie. It was
> quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first
came out,
> they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of
the theater they
> were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day
though. Yeah
> it was a good movie.
> -Matthew Upton
>
>
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Greetings Cesare

Well, coming from Hollywood poor minds...

I am just very happy that
the japanese civilization folks was not portrayed as
monkeylish almost-human with asiatic charicatural eyes and yellow toothes...

as well as happened with the Gladiator that showed a positive although
historically innacurate image of Rome before christianism

and in the XIII Warrior, an more accurate expression of the vikings instead
of their usual B...S... of weird mental insane dirty bearded barbarian
people.


Seems at least that the ignorantic extremism in Hollywood is dimminishing
gradually... They just need to research more on history even to make their
fiction movies.

Want something really worse?
There is some babbling about another movie with a bride holding an bad
replica of an japanese katana.. Unfortunatelly I didn�t remember the
title...

Be well

Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
S�o Paulo-SP Brazil

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> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:20:22 -1000
> From: Cesare Polenghi
>Subject: Re: The Last Samurai
>
>Historically it was as accurate as... Gladiator: not much. The setting
>is historically sound, the events are pure Hollywood fiction, but why
>not? People loved it!! I think all over it was a good movie, even with
>all its inconsistencies. I especially enjoyed the part when Algren is
>"prisoner' in the Japanese village, and "learns" to be Japanese. The
>first battle (in the forest) was EXCELLENT as well. The scene with the
>samurai coming out of the mist... Kurosawa himself would have loved
>that.
>
>*** SPOILER DOWN HERE ***
>
>The lamest part was at the end, when the Emperor refused to sign a deal
>with the Americans just because of Algren bringing back Katsumoto's
>sword. That was a bit like... mmmmhhhh... I was happy thou that Algren
>went back to his girlfriend (Ok, ok, I know I'm cheesy...)
>
>Anyway, good movie, and I'll buy the DVD as soon as it comes out.
>cepo
>
>On Jan 10, 2004, at 7:48 AM, spud10000 wrote:
>
>> I have just seen The Last Samurai. Anyone else seen it, and if so
>> what did you think? I found it very emotional, which is strange,
>> because I am not an emotional person.
>>
>> P.S How historically accurate was it?

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I recall that the size of the Japanese economy alone
was almost equivalent to that of the European
Community(EC) about 7 years ago.
With both Europe and United States sending robots to
Mars, China joined the space program by putting their
1st space man in an orbit of the earth.
Japan could build the world 3rd or 4th largest
military if she invests only .04% of her GDP in a few
years.

Where is Brazil? Where is a whole South America? Where
does their pride stand? Then, who is really monkey?
We can just think that they do not even exit except
for a few occasions of soccer games or news of drug
trafficking. BE WELL....





--- Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
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> Greetings Cesare
>
> Well, coming from Hollywood poor minds...
>
> I am just very happy that
> the japanese civilization folks was not portrayed as
>
> monkeylish almost-human with asiatic charicatural
> eyes and yellow toothes...

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> I recall that the size of the Japanese economy alone
> was almost equivalent to that of the European
> Community(EC) about 7 years ago.
> With both Europe and United States sending robots to
> Mars, China joined the space program by putting their
> 1st space man in an orbit of the earth.
> Japan could build the world 3rd or 4th largest
> military if she invests only .04% of her GDP in a few
> years.
>
> Where is Brazil? Where is a whole South America? Where
> does their pride stand? Then, who is really monkey?
> We can just think that they do not even exit except
> for a few occasions of soccer games or news of drug
> trafficking. BE WELL....

Huh?

Hi, just wanted to chime in with my two cents on the movie, and i have seen most of the Kurosawa movies, and althought it was not
on the same scale as any of his, I would have to give this a "thumbs up" also. The movie may nit garner ant=y awards but i enjoyed it
as well as all my firends who saw it.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Dave Jackson wrote:
> My favorite parts of this movie were - the first battle, and the training with the wooden practice swords.
> Least enjoyable - those iron lined sayas that make that annoying metal on metal 'swing' sound EVERY time a sword is drawn,
> (the polisher in that town must work alot of overtime.)
> all in all I liked it, I give it 4 stars out of 5
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Heller
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai
>
>
> Cutting through a rifle is not an unknown event. As for the movie, if the blade impacted just behind the action of the rifle, I would
say that it's almost easy. Maybe we can see that on the DVD. The sword that Algren carried was freshly forged and probably had the
sharpest and strongest blade on the field of battle that day.
>
> Josh Wilson wrote:I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge it as a movie..even
then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on edge
repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..
>
>
> --
>
> --------- Original Message ---------
> DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
> From: Mmupton1@c...
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:
>
> I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
> battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like the
> gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It was
> quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
> they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater they
> were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though. Yeah
> it was a good movie.
> -Matthew Upton
>
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How very rude. Your innappropriate behavior shall be noted in my captain's
log.

Signed,
Lover of The Last Samurai and Star Trek:Next Generation

>From: deekinblu@...
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:55:05 EST
>
>"The Last Samurai" is just a friggin movie!!!!!!! Stop analyzing it!!! Dont
>you guys have a life?????????? You guys sound like "Trekkies". Why don't
>you
>guys go in the middle of your back yard and perform "sepicu" on yourselves.
>IDIOTS!
>
>
>
> Lt. Algren
>
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I thought the movie was absolutly wonderful. The story was great, the
acting was great, the music was great (Hans Zimmer you know), the scenery
was breathtaking, the attention to detail was great (i.e. costumes), the
fight scenes were great. And Shin Koyamada was both talented and HOT. I
saw it twice. The only thing was I made the mistake of sitting by my friend
the second time and he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun
was unrealistic. Still, all things considered I give it and 8 out of 5.
One of the all time greatest movies.

SARA

>From: "Josh Wilson" <lordwilson@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:31:38 -0500
>
>I know the movie was inaccurate, and I tried to put that past it, and judge
>it as a movie..even then it still sucked.. like when Tom cruise sliced thru
>a rifle w/ a sword?? or all the sword fights striking the blades edge on
>edge repeatedly.. that was all crap.. there was lots of other stuff too..
>
>
>--
>
>--------- Original Message ---------
>DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:23:17
>From: Mmupton1@...
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Cc:
>
>I do not think "The Last Samurai" is historically accurate, but I think the
>battle at the very end of the movie actually did take place, something like
>the
>gun powder rebellion. Well, anyway I also thought it was a good movie. It
>was
>quit touching. I went to go see it with my friends when it first came out,
>they try to act as if they are tough, but when we walked out of the theater
>they
>were balling their eyes out. We dont talk about that to this day though.
>Yeah
>it was a good movie.
>-Matthew Upton
>
>
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On Jan 12, 2004, at 6:55 AM, Lee Changsub wrote:

> I recall that the size of the Japanese economy alone
> was almost equivalent to that of the European
> Community(EC) about 7 years ago.
> With both Europe and United States sending robots to
> Mars, China joined the space program by putting their
> 1st space man in an orbit of the earth.
> Japan could build the world 3rd or 4th largest
> military if she invests only .04% of her GDP in a few
> years.
>
> Where is Brazil? Where is a whole South America? Where
> does their pride stand? Then, who is really monkey?
> We can just think that they do not even exit except
> for a few occasions of soccer games or news of drug
> trafficking. BE WELL....

Wrong mailing list...
I hope...
Still...
Ugh...

cepo

he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun

> was unrealistic.

What did your friend not like about the gatling gun scene? I did not
like the chrome/stainless steel look of the guns.

Wayne

He was complaining about how Algren wasn't killed by the gattling gun.

>From: "whill4" <whill4@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:19:11 -0000
>
> he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun
> > was unrealistic.
>
>What did your friend not like about the gatling gun scene? I did not
>like the chrome/stainless steel look of the guns.
>
>Wayne
>
>

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I can understand that.

Wayne

well, i guess you cannot have the lead character killed otherwise
there would have been no closure to the story


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Cooper"
wrote:

> He was complaining about how Algren wasn't killed by the gattling

gun.

>
>
> >From: "whill4"
> >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:19:11 -0000
> >
> > he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun
> > > was unrealistic.
> >
> >What did your friend not like about the gatling gun scene? I did

not

> >like the chrome/stainless steel look of the guns.
> >
> >Wayne
> >
> >
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They didn't say it except for just before that final charge, but Algren's character had a curse of not being able to be killed in battle. He said it himself that he should have died so many times before. He obviously was shot up pretty good. He could barely walk or bow while in the Emperor's prescence. Imagine how hard it must have been for him to climb those steps to the palace with those injuries. .

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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai


well, i guess you cannot have the lead character killed otherwise
there would have been no closure to the story


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Cooper"
wrote:
> He was complaining about how Algren wasn't killed by the gattling
gun.
>
>
> >From: "whill4"
> >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:19:11 -0000
> >
> > he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun
> > > was unrealistic.
> >
> >What did your friend not like about the gatling gun scene? I did
not
> >like the chrome/stainless steel look of the guns.
> >
> >Wayne
> >
> >
>
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I did too...

Wilson

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DATE: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:02:32
From: "Sara Cooper" <saracooper22@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Cc:

He was complaining about how Algren wasn't killed by the gattling gun.

>From: "whill4" <whill4@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:19:11 -0000
>
> he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun
> > was unrealistic.
>
>What did your friend not like about the gatling gun scene? I did not
>like the chrome/stainless steel look of the guns.
>
>Wayne
>
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Mr Lee

I think there is a missunderstanding here.
I DID NOT called asiatics as monkeys.
I said that Hollywood old movied did.

And for your information, I have also japanese ancestry as well, and never
called my ancestors as "monkeys"!!!

Besides, where is the moderation?
Such an insult is allowed in this list?
If such incivilized act like him is fully allowed, I think I am outplaced
and the moderation is very well allowed to unsubscribe me.

And yes, although I do not advocate any nationalistic feelings, there is
some things Brazil have to be proud, but have NOTHING to do with samurai
history topics.

Again, if ye read carefully my previous message, ye would see that I din�t
said the asiatics are monkeys or something like that, but I said that I AM
VERY HAPPY that at least in this movie, Hollywood DID NOT portrayed them
like that!!!

Do they have read/write english discipline at yer school?

If ye have a minnimun of education, I think ye should apologize.

Regards

Octavio Augusto

>Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:55:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lee Changsub
>Subject: Re: Re: The Last Samurai
>
>I recall that the size of the Japanese economy alone
>was almost equivalent to that of the European
>Community(EC) about 7 years ago.
>With both Europe and United States sending robots to
>Mars, China joined the space program by putting their
>1st space man in an orbit of the earth.
>Japan could build the world 3rd or 4th largest
>military if she invests only .04% of her GDP in a few
>years.
>
>Where is Brazil? Where is a whole South America? Where
>does their pride stand? Then, who is really monkey?
>We can just think that they do not even exit except
>for a few occasions of soccer games or news of drug
>trafficking. BE WELL....
>
>--- Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
> wrote:
>> Greetings Cesare
>>
>> Well, coming from Hollywood poor minds...
>>
>> I am just very happy that
>> the japanese civilization folks was not portrayed as
>>
>> monkeylish almost-human with asiatic charicatural
>> eyes and yellow toothes...
>

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Insinuation.... with connivance with significant
unanimous silent others..
A war between countries started because of the slight
misunderstanding in history.

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--- Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
<medhal8@...> wrote:

> Mr Lee
>
> I think there is a missunderstanding here.
> I DID NOT called asiatics as monkeys.
> I said that Hollywood old movied did.
>
> And for your information, I have also japanese
> ancestry as well, and never
> called my ancestors as "monkeys"!!!
>
> Besides, where is the moderation?
> Such an insult is allowed in this list?
> If such incivilized act like him is fully allowed, I
> think I am outplaced
> and the moderation is very well allowed to
> unsubscribe me.
>
> And yes, although I do not advocate any
> nationalistic feelings, there is
> some things Brazil have to be proud, but have
> NOTHING to do with samurai
> history topics.
>
> Again, if ye read carefully my previous message, ye
> would see that I din�t
> said the asiatics are monkeys or something like
> that, but I said that I AM
> VERY HAPPY that at least in this movie, Hollywood
> DID NOT portrayed them
> like that!!!
>
> Do they have read/write english discipline at yer
> school?
>
> If ye have a minnimun of education, I think ye
> should apologize.
>
> Regards
>
> Octavio Augusto
>
>
>
> >Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:55:44 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Lee Changsub
> >Subject: Re: Re: The Last Samurai
> >
> >I recall that the size of the Japanese economy
> alone
> >was almost equivalent to that of the European
> >Community(EC) about 7 years ago.
> >With both Europe and United States sending robots
> to
> >Mars, China joined the space program by putting
> their
> >1st space man in an orbit of the earth.
> >Japan could build the world 3rd or 4th largest
> >military if she invests only .04% of her GDP in a
> few
> >years.
> >
> >Where is Brazil? Where is a whole South America?
> Where
> >does their pride stand? Then, who is really monkey?
>
> >We can just think that they do not even exit except
>
> >for a few occasions of soccer games or news of drug
>
> >trafficking. BE WELL....
> >
> >--- Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
> > wrote:
> >> Greetings Cesare
> >>
> >> Well, coming from Hollywood poor minds...
> >>
> >> I am just very happy that
> >> the japanese civilization folks was not portrayed
> as
> >>
> >> monkeylish almost-human with asiatic charicatural
>
> >> eyes and yellow toothes...
> >
>
>

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--- Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
<medhal8@...> wrote:

> Mr Lee
>
> I think there is a missunderstanding here.
> I DID NOT called asiatics as monkeys.
> I said that Hollywood old movied did.
>
> And for your information, I have also japanese
> ancestry as well, and never
> called my ancestors as "monkeys"!!!
>
> Besides, where is the moderation?
> Such an insult is allowed in this list?
> If such incivilized act like him is fully allowed, I
> think I am outplaced
> and the moderation is very well allowed to
> unsubscribe me.
>
> And yes, although I do not advocate any
> nationalistic feelings, there is
> some things Brazil have to be proud, but have
> NOTHING to do with samurai
> history topics.
>
> Again, if ye read carefully my previous message, ye
> would see that I din�t
> said the asiatics are monkeys or something like
> that, but I said that I AM
> VERY HAPPY that at least in this movie, Hollywood
> DID NOT portrayed them
> like that!!!
>
> Do they have read/write english discipline at yer
> school?
>
> If ye have a minnimun of education, I think ye
> should apologize.
>
> Regards
>
> Octavio Augusto
>
>
>
> >Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:55:44 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Lee Changsub
> >Subject: Re: Re: The Last Samurai
> >
> >I recall that the size of the Japanese economy
> alone
> >was almost equivalent to that of the European
> >Community(EC) about 7 years ago.
> >With both Europe and United States sending robots
> to
> >Mars, China joined the space program by putting
> their
> >1st space man in an orbit of the earth.
> >Japan could build the world 3rd or 4th largest
> >military if she invests only .04% of her GDP in a
> few
> >years.
> >
> >Where is Brazil? Where is a whole South America?
> Where
> >does their pride stand? Then, who is really monkey?
>
> >We can just think that they do not even exit except
>
> >for a few occasions of soccer games or news of drug
>
> >trafficking. BE WELL....
> >
> >--- Medhal Mikit St�r-ljon Oddhinsson
> > wrote:
> >> Greetings Cesare
> >>
> >> Well, coming from Hollywood poor minds...
> >>
> >> I am just very happy that
> >> the japanese civilization folks was not portrayed
> as
> >>
> >> monkeylish almost-human with asiatic charicatural
>
> >> eyes and yellow toothes...
> >
>
>

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I don't like of 'American the savior of the world', but lucky Tom Cruise doesn't play that part too well so it seems the Japanese become its true hero.
And what happen to Henry in that movie? He doesn't look as great as he use to, can't compare even to his 'the ring'.

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That's true. I wish Nobutada hadn't died, though it was obvious, at least
to me, that he would.

>From: "Diane" <kiana2@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:37:26 -0000
>
>well, i guess you cannot have the lead character killed otherwise
>there would have been no closure to the story
>
>
>--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Cooper"
> wrote:
> > He was complaining about how Algren wasn't killed by the gattling
>gun.
> >
> >
> > >From: "whill4"
> > >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Last Samurai
> > >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:19:11 -0000
> > >
> > > he made me realize that the part with the gattling gun
> > > > was unrealistic.
> > >
> > >What did your friend not like about the gatling gun scene? I did
>not
> > >like the chrome/stainless steel look of the guns.
> > >
> > >Wayne
> > >
> > >
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