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#2210 [2003-09-04 08:11:32]

"Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last Samurai)

by kitsuno

From Japan Times:


Meeting Hollywood halfway

By MARK SCHILLING

Hollywood and history have never gotten along very well. Hollywood
makes entertainment and history has a tendency to be boringly
complex, so accuracy and authenticity often gets lost on the way to
the multiplex.
Some Hollywood filmmakers, however, are trying harder to get it
right. One is Edward Zwick -- the director of "Glory," "Legends of
the Fall" and, as I learned by e-mail from Zwick himself in June
2002, "The Last Samurai." Zwick said he needed people in Japan --
including me -- to help him with the Japanese dialogue and the
historical details. In short, to get as much as right as possible
without sacrificing the drama.
He admitted to heavily fictionalizing the real-life rebellion, led by
Saigo Takamori, that inspired the film. "I know full well that [the
rebels] took up modern arms to overthrow the Tokugawa Shogunate, and
that I've fudged the dates of conscription and the edicts," he
wrote. "What I need is for you to highlight those descriptions,
interactions, issues that will evoke giggles, if not outrage, from
the Japanese audience."
This, he added was not just a commercial consideration, but "a
personal and artistic one." "I honestly believe," he continued, "(and
this is, perhaps, the greatest hubris of all) that I can present
rounded, complex, heroic Japanese characters to an international
audience; that 16-year-olds everywhere might just come away with an
awakened sense that our history and that of Japan were intertwined
long before Pearl Harbor; that words like honor and duty have
resonance throughout history; and that the birth of the modern and
such wrenching transitional moments have resonance and application to
our present circumstance."
How could I not sign on? My first job was to send Zwick notes on the
script. I picked a few nits, found a few howlers. One of the
characters, a young samurai, was called Yoritomo, the name of a
famous 12th-century warrior and statesman. It was, I wrote Zwick,
like calling a character in a 19th-century British period drama "the
Sheriff of Nottingham."
Zwick ditched the name. He also accepted several other of my
suggestions, such as changing the martial art the samurai practice
from karate -- which was then known only in Okinawa -- to jujitsu.
Several others, however, he passed over in silence. In one scene, the
rebel leader flings his sword end-over-end at an enemy. Couldn't
happen, I said -- samurai weren't knife throwers. But Zwick liked the
image -- and it stayed in.
More importantly, I found him a Japanese scriptwriter who could
rewrite the Japanese-language script -- a direct translation from the
English that Zwick admitted was "horrible." Yo Takeyama is a period-
drama veteran whose credits included the hit NHK drama "Hideyoshi"
and the Kon Ichikawa film "Ka-chan." Meeting several times during the
summer at a Tokyo ryokan, we went over the script line by line. I had
to make sure Takeyama's rewrites were reflected accurately in the
English script. In several scenes, he not only corrected the
Japanese, but added new dialogue, all of which had to be translated.
We also met with Zwick once in Tokyo. Late for our appointment in the
lobby of the Imperial Hotel, I spotted a short, bearded, dark-haired
man eyeing me through the crowd, rushed over to him and starting
apologizing in Japanese.
It was Zwick. In my panic I had taken him for a vaguely Japanese-
looking assistant -- but he loved being mistaken for one of the
natives. He also hit it off with Takeyama, a tall, lanky former actor
who is an engaging raconteur and had the answers to his questions
about Meiji court etiquette.
Early in September, Takeyama and I sent off our final batch of
corrections. That October, we went to see the final day of shooting
in Japan, which took place at a temple in Kyoto. When I got to the
set, at around 7 in the morning, Zwick was preparing a simple scene --
Tom Cruise walking up the temple steps with two foreign companions.
Beaming, he introduced me to his star, who was being frantically
fussed over by three women -- one in charge of his Army officer
costume, the other his makeup, the other his hair.
I had the odd feeling of stepping out of sleepy, early morning Japan
and into a hyper-charged Hollywood moment. I noticed that Cruise had
tiny crow's feet around his eyes, wore a retainer on his teeth and
was looking straight at me with that trademark burning gaze. No
surprise there; I had never expected Cruise to be laid back. I was
even ready for the retainer, having read about it on an Internet
gossip column.
What shocked me, first, however, was his height -- I had thought it
was about the same as mine. I later realized that his boots had made
him stood several centimeters taller.
Second, he really wanted to talk, asking me where I was from, how
long I had been in Japan, and how I liked Tokyo. He was trying to put
me at ease, but a normal conversation with Tom Cruise was my idea of
the bizarre. Also, I had my own questions -- but it wasn't the time
or place to ask about Nicole.
That brief encounter, and a check, were two of my big rewards for
being what Warner Brothers called a "Japanese script liaison." I also
got several later revisions of our own revisions, considerately
forwarded to me by Zwick's company, Samurai Pictures.
At least one of my ideas made it into the final version, as I
recently saw at screening for the press: Samurai practicing jujitsu
in the tall grass. In Hollywood, scriptwriters commonly get rewritten
out of existence -- I felt lucky to have, in some small way,
survived.
But will they spell my name right in the credits?

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#2212 [2003-09-04 13:28:59]

Re: "Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last Samurai)

by miburo_saitoh

As I said in a previous post, having Zwick in the movie makes me have
a bit more hope for it, he takes his films seriously.

Miburo

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Kitsuno" listowner@s...> wrote:
> From Japan Times:
>
>
> Meeting Hollywood halfway
>
> By MARK SCHILLING
>
> Hollywood and history have never gotten along very well. Hollywood
> makes entertainment and history has a tendency to be boringly
> complex, so accuracy and authenticity often gets lost on the way to
> the multiplex.
> Some Hollywood filmmakers, however, are trying harder to get it
> right. One is Edward Zwick -- the director of "Glory," "Legends of
> the Fall" and, as I learned by e-mail from Zwick himself in June
> 2002, "The Last Samurai." Zwick said he needed people in Japan --
> including me -- to help him with the Japanese dialogue and the
> historical details. In short, to get as much as right as possible
> without sacrificing the drama.
> He admitted to heavily fictionalizing the real-life rebellion, led
by
> Saigo Takamori, that inspired the film. "I know full well that [the
> rebels] took up modern arms to overthrow the Tokugawa Shogunate,
and
> that I've fudged the dates of conscription and the edicts," he
> wrote. "What I need is for you to highlight those descriptions,
> interactions, issues that will evoke giggles, if not outrage, from
> the Japanese audience."
> This, he added was not just a commercial consideration, but "a
> personal and artistic one." "I honestly believe," he
continued, "(and
> this is, perhaps, the greatest hubris of all) that I can present
> rounded, complex, heroic Japanese characters to an international
> audience; that 16-year-olds everywhere might just come away with an
> awakened sense that our history and that of Japan were intertwined
> long before Pearl Harbor; that words like honor and duty have
> resonance throughout history; and that the birth of the modern and
> such wrenching transitional moments have resonance and application
to
> our present circumstance."
> How could I not sign on? My first job was to send Zwick notes on
the
> script. I picked a few nits, found a few howlers. One of the
> characters, a young samurai, was called Yoritomo, the name of a
> famous 12th-century warrior and statesman. It was, I wrote Zwick,
> like calling a character in a 19th-century British period
drama "the
> Sheriff of Nottingham."
> Zwick ditched the name. He also accepted several other of my
> suggestions, such as changing the martial art the samurai practice
> from karate -- which was then known only in Okinawa -- to jujitsu.
> Several others, however, he passed over in silence. In one scene,
the
> rebel leader flings his sword end-over-end at an enemy. Couldn't
> happen, I said -- samurai weren't knife throwers. But Zwick liked
the
> image -- and it stayed in.
> More importantly, I found him a Japanese scriptwriter who could
> rewrite the Japanese-language script -- a direct translation from
the
> English that Zwick admitted was "horrible." Yo Takeyama is a period-
> drama veteran whose credits included the hit NHK drama "Hideyoshi"
> and the Kon Ichikawa film "Ka-chan." Meeting several times during
the
> summer at a Tokyo ryokan, we went over the script line by line. I
had
> to make sure Takeyama's rewrites were reflected accurately in the
> English script. In several scenes, he not only corrected the
> Japanese, but added new dialogue, all of which had to be
translated.
> We also met with Zwick once in Tokyo. Late for our appointment in
the
> lobby of the Imperial Hotel, I spotted a short, bearded, dark-
haired
> man eyeing me through the crowd, rushed over to him and starting
> apologizing in Japanese.
> It was Zwick. In my panic I had taken him for a vaguely Japanese-
> looking assistant -- but he loved being mistaken for one of the
> natives. He also hit it off with Takeyama, a tall, lanky former
actor
> who is an engaging raconteur and had the answers to his questions
> about Meiji court etiquette.
> Early in September, Takeyama and I sent off our final batch of
> corrections. That October, we went to see the final day of shooting
> in Japan, which took place at a temple in Kyoto. When I got to the
> set, at around 7 in the morning, Zwick was preparing a simple
scene --
> Tom Cruise walking up the temple steps with two foreign
companions.
> Beaming, he introduced me to his star, who was being frantically
> fussed over by three women -- one in charge of his Army officer
> costume, the other his makeup, the other his hair.
> I had the odd feeling of stepping out of sleepy, early morning
Japan
> and into a hyper-charged Hollywood moment. I noticed that Cruise
had
> tiny crow's feet around his eyes, wore a retainer on his teeth and
> was looking straight at me with that trademark burning gaze. No
> surprise there; I had never expected Cruise to be laid back. I was
> even ready for the retainer, having read about it on an Internet
> gossip column.
> What shocked me, first, however, was his height -- I had thought it
> was about the same as mine. I later realized that his boots had
made
> him stood several centimeters taller.
> Second, he really wanted to talk, asking me where I was from, how
> long I had been in Japan, and how I liked Tokyo. He was trying to
put
> me at ease, but a normal conversation with Tom Cruise was my idea
of
> the bizarre. Also, I had my own questions -- but it wasn't the time
> or place to ask about Nicole.
> That brief encounter, and a check, were two of my big rewards for
> being what Warner Brothers called a "Japanese script liaison." I
also
> got several later revisions of our own revisions, considerately
> forwarded to me by Zwick's company, Samurai Pictures.
> At least one of my ideas made it into the final version, as I
> recently saw at screening for the press: Samurai practicing jujitsu
> in the tall grass. In Hollywood, scriptwriters commonly get
rewritten
> out of existence -- I felt lucky to have, in some small way,
> survived.
> But will they spell my name right in the credits?

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#2213 [2003-09-04 13:53:16]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: "Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last Samurai)

by holydemon13

Hi.
I may end up seeing it to see it. From everthing that's been said
over the last month or so, my interest has been piqued. Anybody know when it's
due out?

Thanx. :-D
Tim


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#2214 [2003-09-04 14:13:11]

[samuraihistory] Re: "Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last Samurai)

by soshuju

>As I said in a previous post, having Zwick in the movie makes me have
>a bit more hope for it, he takes his films seriously.
>
>Miburo
>

Thats why we don't ask farm boys turned Samurai from Mibu about
Japanese Culture ;-)

Check out the newest trailers and you'll see nightmarish
scenes of 16th century and earlier Oyoroi on horseback versus
uniformed 19th century rifle companies. The fact that the Japanese
actors felt no compulsion to say anything to the director just shows
they have no business doing anything but curry commercials.
I can't wait to see it either, been waiting a long time for
something this to come down the road. The tragedy is that the TRUE
story of Tabaruzaka and the restoration battles would make much
better cinema. In the end they always feel they have to dumb it down
to make it entertaining, assuming the world of moviegoers is on par
with television-viewers...
This reeks of Bakufu-style movie making and as you all know.
"Ore wa Tobaku, tobaku, mata tobaku!!!"
-t

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#2215 [2003-09-04 15:39:53]

Re: "Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last Samurai)

by miburo_saitoh

Farm boy? *stands in the gatotsu position* farm boy...? lol!

Well, it's a good thing that my knowledge of japanese history (or at
least details like those) is very limited and I won't be bothered by
them >:D

I have to agree with the comment of "dumbing down" history for the
moviegoers, specially when the true historical fact was much more
interesting than what the movie ended up being. Too bad the money is
held by dumb people mostly...

motto Shinsengumi zanbantai kumicho Saitoh Hajime (wonder if
I "spelled" that right...)


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, tom helm
wrote:
> >As I said in a previous post, having Zwick in the movie makes me
have
> >a bit more hope for it, he takes his films seriously.
> >
> >Miburo
> >
>
> Thats why we don't ask farm boys turned Samurai from Mibu about
> Japanese Culture ;-)
>
> Check out the newest trailers and you'll see nightmarish
> scenes of 16th century and earlier Oyoroi on horseback versus
> uniformed 19th century rifle companies. The fact that the Japanese
> actors felt no compulsion to say anything to the director just
shows
> they have no business doing anything but curry commercials.
> I can't wait to see it either, been waiting a long time for
> something this to come down the road. The tragedy is that the TRUE
> story of Tabaruzaka and the restoration battles would make much
> better cinema. In the end they always feel they have to dumb it
down
> to make it entertaining, assuming the world of moviegoers is on
par
> with television-viewers...
> This reeks of Bakufu-style movie making and as you all know.
> "Ore wa Tobaku, tobaku, mata tobaku!!!"
> -t
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#2221 [2003-09-07 09:01:06]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: "Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last Samurai)

by keiman0

Sometime in December-K&K


>From: Eponymous13@...
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: "Meeting Hollywood halfway" (The Last
>Samurai)
>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:53:16 EDT
>
>Hi.
> I may end up seeing it to see it. From everthing that's been said
>over the last month or so, my interest has been piqued. Anybody know when
>it's
>due out?
>
>Thanx. :-D
>Tim
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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