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#203 [2001-06-06 03:55:18]

question

by kirana Wayne

hi, i am doing another project on samurai related things for college
and was wondering, for those of you that are interetsted would you
let me know your opinion of the Lone Wolf And Cub films/comics.. for
example how accurate do you think they are?, do you like or loathe
them? etc.. I have my own opintions but have to gather a few other
opinions for a spreadshet i have to make.. and i am the only Lone
Wolf fan i know!!!
Kirana

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#204 [2001-06-06 10:24:06]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by Anthony J. Bryant

kirana Wayne wrote:

> hi, i am doing another project on samurai related things for college
> and was wondering, for those of you that are interetsted would you
> let me know your opinion of the Lone Wolf And Cub films/comics.. for
> example how accurate do you think they are?, do you like or loathe
> them? etc.. I have my own opintions but have to gather a few other
> opinions for a spreadshet i have to make.. and i am the only Lone
> Wolf fan i know!!!

I love them, but they're about as "historical" as Costner's "Prince of
Thieves" was....

Not.



Tony

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#205 [2001-06-07 07:15:36]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by fifthchamber@aol.com

Regarding the Lone wolf and cub question...
Accuracy? I believe that apart from the obvious problems (Ura-Yagyu? And the
whole corruption theme.) that L.W.and C. is one of the best Samurai era manga
series out there ( If you like Lone wolf then also check out Blade of the
Immortal, Dark Horse pub.) The films themselves were close enough to the
comic to allow me to get into them easily (Not Shogun Assassin...the original
storyline...) and were as much fun to watch. The comics are still the best
drawn and have the most original and well thought out storyline that I have
read yet, although 'Blade' may come close to it.
Ben Sharples.
Try asking the question on www.e-budo.com for a larger response...

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#206 [2001-06-05 20:52:11]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by TOM HELM

The films lack alot of the depth found in the original comics. The comics
are historically accurate, but they are of course comics so...The writer
Koike Kazuo put in a lot of research before writing his works. Many of the
best stories and most interesting historical info were never translated in
the English editions.
I love the series, it is an excellent window on the ideals of the time
and how we percieve what is just and unjust today.
I reccomend Kubikiri Asa, the stories are shorter and self contained and
very easy to follow even if one doesn't read Japanese.
pray for surf,

Tom

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#207 [2001-06-07 05:32:10]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by michael A

--- kirana Wayne <samurai_v_ninja@...> wrote:
> hi, i am doing another project on samurai related
> things for college
> and was wondering, for those of you that are
> interetsted would you
> let me know your opinion of the Lone Wolf And Cub
> films/comics.. for
> example how accurate do you think they are?, do you
> like or loathe
> them? etc.. I have my own opintions but have to
> gather a few other
> opinions for a spreadshet i have to make.. and i am
> the only Lone
> Wolf fan i know!!!
> Kirana

I like them very much. They are a fun series, but i
definatly wouldnt take them as anything serious.
I just kick back and enjoy them for what they are.
kiyohara
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#208 [2001-06-06 11:06:48]

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by Fugitivus

I am a big fan of the lone wolf series. Although I think at times it's veiw of Bushido might be a little too perfect. I run a list dedicated to Lone wolf. If you are interested then mail me.
cell-66@...

Aaron


hi, i am doing another project on samurai related things for college
and was wondering, for those of you that are interetsted would you
let me know your opinion of the Lone Wolf And Cub films/comics.. for
example how accurate do you think they are?, do you like or loathe
them? etc.. I have my own opintions but have to gather a few other
opinions for a spreadshet i have to make.. and i am the only Lone
Wolf fan i know!!!
Kirana



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#1222 [2002-11-13 08:14:11]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by holydemon13

I don't personally, but I to know where you can find one. www.sho-shin.com
has a good one.

Later.
Tim


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#1223 [2002-11-13 16:57:14]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by William letham

This might help its from Papinots Historical and Geographical Dictionary;

Tomoe Gozen

Daughter of Nakahara Kaneto and sister of Imai Kanehira. She married Kiso
Yoshinaka and was remarkable for her beauty and courage. She followed her
husband in all his battles, herself leading a troop of men. When Yoshinaka
was defeated at Uji (1184), he had only 13 samurai with him and Tomoe was
with them. A certain Uchida Ieyoshi, of Herculean strength, came to attack
her, but Tomoe defeated him and cut of his head. After Yoshinakas death she
retired to Tomosugi (Echigo). Swas 28 years old.

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#1225 [2002-11-13 08:53:54]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by herbertlison

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A681004


Tomoe Gozen

Tomoe Gozen is one of the few examples of a female samurai warrior in
Japanese history. More than simply a defender of the homestead in time
of necessity, she is described as a warrior of peerless skill, going
into battle like a man. She was either the wife of Minamoto Yoshinaka,
or by some sources a female attendant, but in either case is described
as one of Yoshinaka's senior captains. Yoshinaka was one of the Minamoto
lords who fought against the Taira in the Gempei War, and after the
Minomoto victory at Kurikawa in 1084 placed Kyoto in Minamoto hands,
Yoshinaka felt that he should become the overall leader of the clan.

Yoshinaka's feeling was contested by Minamoto Yoritomo. Yorimoto's
forces attacked Yoshinkaka and Gozen at Awazu, and despite putting up a
tremendous fight, their forces were overwhelmed. With only a handful of
warriors standing, Yoshinaka ordered his wife to flee the field rather
than face capture and death. Accounts vary of what followed. Some say
that Gozen stayed and died with her husband, while others state that she
fled the battlefield. In the latter instance, there is further
uncertainty. Most accounts state that she fled with a severed head, but
again sources vary between claiming that she took the head of an enemy
soldier named Onda no Hachiro Moroshige, or that of her husband taken to
keep him from capture. A final debate surrounds the fate of Gozen after
her escape, as some state that she cast herself into the sea with her
husband's head, while others assert that she became a nun.



Charisse Linsangan wrote:

> I have a question. I heard about a woman named Tomoe
> Gozen unfortunately I do not know anything about her
> except that she is a woman-samurai...can anyone tell
> me more about Tomoe Gozen?
> -Polly
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#2105 [2003-08-25 12:49:51]

question

by matthewhoyle2000

Friends,

Does anyone here know what the old Japanese measurments are in modern cm
or inches ?

Shaku, bu, sun, rin (hope I got that right.)

Many thanks, Matt.


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#2114 [2003-08-26 08:29:40]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by goodfella26426

a shaku is about 1 and 1/2 feet.. a bu is half of that and I think it keeps decreasing by half in that order.. to find out, you might try looking up iaido or kenjutsu.. that is where I saw refference to them, but I do not remember the specifics on them.. after a certain time period, katanas were restricted and could not have a blade longer than two shaku.. if you read about the 47 Ronin, when they made their attack, they all had illegal swords, as they were over 2 shaku.. that may also be a good subject to look up on a search engine.. I ran across a page that listed the names of all 47 ronin and the specs on the weapons they carried.. hope this helps..

Wilson


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Friends,

Does anyone here know what the old Japanese measurments are in modern cm
or inches ?

Shaku, bu, sun, rin (hope I got that right.)

Many thanks, Matt.


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#2118 [2003-08-26 13:54:05]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by sengokudaimyo

Josh Wilson wrote:

> a shaku is about 1 and 1/2 feet.. a bu is half of that and I think it keeps decreasing by half in that order.. to find out, you might try looking up iaido or kenjutsu.. that is where I saw refference to them, but I do not remember the specifics on them.. after a certain time period, katanas were restricted and could not have a blade longer than two shaku.. if you read about the 47 Ronin, when they made their attack, they all had illegal swords, as they were over 2 shaku.. that may also be a good subject to look up on a search engine.. I ran across a page that listed the names of all 47 ronin and the specs on the weapons they carried.. hope this helps..
>

Ummm... Josh?

A shaku is almost *exactly* a foot. In fact, it's 11.93 inches. There are ten sun in a shaku, each about 1.19 inches. A bu is 3 milimeters... a miniscule length.

Tony

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#2119 [2003-08-26 13:30:53]

RE: [samuraihistory] question

by matthewhoyle2000

Hi Josh, thanks for the help. I posted this question on various sword
lists as well, and this was pretty much the unanimous answer:


Japanese Unit Conversions **

1 shaku = 11.93054 inches (30.30 cm)

1 shaku = 10 sun
1 sun = 1.19305 inches (3.03 cm)

1 sun = 10 bu
1 bu = 0.11931 inches (0.303 cm)

1 bu = 10 rin
1 rin = 0.01193 inches (0.0303 cm)

Note: 1 shaku is commonly approximated
to be 12 inches (1 foot)

Regards, Matthew.

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a shaku is about 1 and 1/2 feet.. a bu is half of that and I think it
keeps decreasing by half in that order.. to find out, you might try
looking up iaido or kenjutsu.. that is where I saw refference to them,
but I do not remember the specifics on them.. after a certain time
period, katanas were restricted and could not have a blade longer than
two shaku.. if you read about the 47 Ronin, when they made their attack,
they all had illegal swords, as they were over 2 shaku.. that may also
be a good subject to look up on a search engine.. I ran across a page
that listed the names of all 47 ronin and the specs on the weapons they
carried.. hope this helps..

Wilson


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Cc: <nihonto@yahoogroups.com>, <token_kenkyu_kai@...>

Friends,

Does anyone here know what the old Japanese measurments are in modern cm
or inches ?

Shaku, bu, sun, rin (hope I got that right.)

Many thanks, Matt.


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#2130 [2003-08-27 04:31:54]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by Tom P Armour

A shaku is within an eighth of an inch of an english foot. A bu is one
tenth of a shaku. A sun is one tenth of a bu. A rin is one tenth of a
sun. This is really like the metric system. Reference to this is given on
a poster made by Hawley publications. This poster may be available at
www.ecmas.com.
Further, on the ninja subject. Think of ninja like hitmen. Do you go to
hitman school? Do people generally know who hitmen are? On this line of
reasoning if a sixteenth century ninja (hitman) had a gun with a silencer
wouldn't he use it without regard to tradition, etc?
Really enjoy reading everything submitted by the group.
Tom

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#2163 [2003-08-28 14:17:35]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by sengokudaimyo

Tom P Armour wrote:

> A shaku is within an eighth of an inch of an english foot. A bu is one
> tenth of a shaku. A sun is one tenth of a bu.

You've got sun and bu backwards.

Think of the shakuhachi; it's called that because it's 1 shaku 8 sun long.


Tony

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#2166 [2003-08-28 14:47:26]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by Tom P Armour

OOPS you are right.
Sumimasen
Tom

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:17:35 -0500 "Anthony J. Bryant"
<ajbryant@...> writes:
> Tom P Armour wrote:
>
> > A shaku is within an eighth of an inch of an english foot. A bu
> is one
> > tenth of a shaku. A sun is one tenth of a bu.
>
> You've got sun and bu backwards.
>
> Think of the shakuhachi; it's called that because it's 1 shaku 8 sun
> long.
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#8756 [2006-05-16 21:53:37]

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why don't people talk much about the meiji era


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#8765 [2006-05-17 05:54:48]

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by jpellgen

Well, aside from the actual 'Meiji Restoration,' I just think people find it boring. That's not a fancy answer, but it is sandwiched between WWII and 250+ of Tokugawa reign. So, I think your assumption is correct. I rarely see people who specialize in Meiji Japan (compared to other periods).

There is a nice book about Emperor Meiji... I think it is by Keene.

Jonathan Ellgen

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#8774 [2006-05-17 15:28:26]

question

by cathamstershadow

why did japan get rid of the shoguns and emperors japan was well off
without the united states forcing them to open their country if you
ask me the japanese had more control and were more diciplined than the
americans. one of our presidents once said the only way to keep our
government honest was to have a rebelion every once in a while

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#8775 [2006-05-17 14:55:08]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by cathamstershadow

i allways thaught that the meiji restoration and the era was the best of the samurai history because that was the height of the shogunates power and the samurai armies had their final wars.

jonathan ellgen <jpellgen@...> wrote: Well, aside from the actual 'Meiji Restoration,' I just think people find it boring. That's not a fancy answer, but it is sandwiched between WWII and 250+ of Tokugawa reign. So, I think your assumption is correct. I rarely see people who specialize in Meiji Japan (compared to other periods).

There is a nice book about Emperor Meiji... I think it is by Keene.

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#8778 [2006-05-17 22:14:40]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by drnostrand

Hi.

> why did japan get rid of the shoguns and emperors

Japan disposed of the shougun for among other things not keeping
Commodore Perry out.
Last I heard, the Tenno heika the Heisei emperor is alive and well.

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#8779 [2006-05-17 22:19:50]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by drnostrand

Hi.

> why don't people talk much about the meiji era

There are books about the Meiji era out there. Lots of interesting
stuff happened during it. However, it just doesn't fit in well with
this particular discussion group. You can also read literature from the
period. For example, Soseki is a well known Meiji period author. The
lost era is the Taisho period which was very short.

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#8788 [2006-05-18 09:05:37]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by draco_ptolemy

Greetings,
I was watching the mini-documentary put together by The History Channel for the "Last Samurai" last night. Apparently when Perry came in and opened up with Cannon Fire in the Harbor, the Emperor took notice, as did everyone in Edo. The general gist is they figured there was no way to avoid the changes around them and they better catch up to protect themselves. This meant going from "Warrior to Soldier" as it was put. But it also impacted them culturally with the Western styles and traditions coming into play. It opened up more "freedom" but much was lost along the way.

The system in place (feudal, Hierarchy) in my opinion is a natural and stable point for humans. It has worked for thousands of years in every part of the world and only in the last 500 years has "Democracy" come en-vogue'. Even then, the Emperor still ruled, but the Council moved the country to a more European style because the saw some good to the people in some of the ways of the foreigners.

The discipline was there on a personal/clan level, but the country as a whole was not united and I think this was another reason for the changes. "Divided we Fall" seems to be a definite issue on the mind of the ruling class.

All in all, I think they could have made a certain amount of a western move without destroying the system or the Samurai, but the external influences to me proved to overwhelming to do so. It was easier to give in.

I am sure there is much more to add that I have missed, but I am still in the early stages of study. I am open to correction and addition. The whole point of a group like this is to learn...


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without the united states forcing them to open their country if you
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#8799 [2006-05-19 00:23:40]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by ltdomer98

--- cathamstershadow <cathamstershadow@...>
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> why did japan get rid of the shoguns and emperors
> japan was well off
> without the united states forcing them to open their
> country if you
> ask me the japanese had more control and were more
> diciplined than the
> americans. one of our presidents once said the only
> way to keep our
> government honest was to have a rebelion every once
> in a while

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#8811 [2006-05-19 00:43:04]

correcting some historical misconceptions

by sinegalm

I’m no expert in Japan history, but I’ve noticed quite a few historical inaccuracies posted on this list recently. This is my attempt to respond to these comments and questions. I thought it might be helpful if I posted some comments, and some history books for people to read, for those who might be interested.

First, a correction on Tokugawa history. When Matthew Perry (that’s Commodore Perry, not Chandler of “Friends”) arrived in his proverbial black ships in 1853 and 1854, Japan was ruled under the Tokugawa shogunate, not the emperor. The emperor, living in Kyoto, was barely more than a powerless figurehead. The shoguns in Tokyo, and their deputies, the kanrei and the associated bureaucrats ran the show. The emperor was generally just a rubber-stamper. In fact, (with the exception of two minor short-lived restoration incidents in 1221 and 1333) the emperor in Japan held very little direct political power for almost the entire millenium. Ever since the Yoritomo Minamoto took the reigns as the first shogun around 1185, and established his camp at Kamakura, the emperor became a figurehead. Lip service was paid to the emperor as the big cheese, but everyone knew the emperor had little to do with actual power. (For an account of how Yoritomo established the first shogunate, see Jeffrey Mass’s “Yoritomo and the founding of the first bakufu”.)

With the arrival of Perry, pressure was massive to reform, and the Tokugawa shogunate took the heat. A movement began to restore the emperor to power. That emperor was Meiji, and as the emperor in Japan had not really ruled for 800 plus years, the Meiji restoration was a historical event in Japan of major import. Out with the shoguns and in with the emperor. For the story on how the last shogun got kicked out, read Shiba Ryotaro’s “the Last Shogun”, a historical account of the last Tokugawa shogun, Tokugawa Yoshinobu.

The rights and privileges of samurai legally enshrined in law were gradually removed and eliminated in the Meiji period. And eventually the samurai class was kaput. And many of those who had strongly pushed for the restoration of the emperor were distraught when Meiji implemented such dramatic reforms ending the privileges of the samurai. One such individual was Saigo Takamori. In Mark Ravina’s bio of the man, you can read about how he first fought for the Meiji restoration, then regretted what he had done, and rebelled against Meiji with a band of followers. The Tom Cruise movie "the Last Samurai" is a wildly inaccurate recreation of the life of Saigo Takamori.

I would also disagree with my friend who, in response to a question about why so few comments on the Meiji era, suggested that the Meiji era was not so interesting as prior periods of Japan history. The Meiji era is absolutely fascinating. A country which the Tokugawa attempted to (mostly) legally close to outside influence and contact, after the Meiji restoration, went the exact opposite way and became like a sponge of learning and acquiring the technological know-how of the Europe and North America, and in short order turned itself into a major power capable of kicking Russian arse in the Russo-Japan war of 1904-05. I would suggest instead that the reason that there are so few comments about Meiji era on this “samurai history” list is because the samurai class became defunct during the Meiji era.

Other books I would highly recommend: Lamers bio of Oda Nobunaga, “Japonius Tyrannus”. Mary Elizabeth Berry’s “Hideyoshi”. Donald Keene’s “Yoshimasa and the Silver Pavillon”. Berry's book on Hideyoshi is particularly fascinating. I give it five stars.

Other historical tidbits: many in the warrior class in Japan, particularly in the Ashikaga periods and the Sengoku periods, practiced wakashudo若衆道, in which an adult warrior or daimyo kept a boy-lover. It was also known as nanshoku 男色. Not all daimyo or samurai did this, but a lot of very prominent leaders did so, including macho tough guys, Nobunaga and Ashikaga Yoshimitsu and Minamoto Yoshitomo. The practice in Japan was very similar to the practice in ancient Greece where the older adult male was meant to be a sort of general mentor to his boy. The practice in pre-modern and early modern Japan was very different from what we would consider normal homosexuality today. In modern terms this type of sexual behavior seems very unethical, and predatory, but it was very common for a thousand years in Japan until the middle of the Tokugawa period. So much for samurai never doing anything dishonorable. Here are a few websites with more info.
http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/japan.html
http://www.stthomasu.ca/~parkhill/cj01/irepam.htm
http://www.androphile.org/preview/Culture/Japan/japan.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanshoku

Another set of historical tidbits: Christianity in Japan, and the brutal persecution and torture of the Christians by the Tokugawa shogunate. So much AGAIN for samurai never doing anything dishonorable. The history of the Jesuits in Japan, and then the abolition and persecution of Christianity is a fascinating, albeit morbid subject. Even more interesting is the story of the kakure kirishitan, the hidden Christians. Check out the following sites, and also, Endo Shusaku's fantastic historical novel "Silence"沈黙, about the Jesuit priests who were tortured and renounced Christianity under torture of the dreaded hanging pit, 穴吊り.

http://www.baobab.or.jp/~stranger/mypage/endo.htm
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0452.html

If anyone sees any errors in any of my comments, please feel free to correct me, because, as I said, I am not an expert on Japan history, just an amateur lover of Japan history. I hope these comments were of interest and useful to some.

Regards,
Mike

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#8813 [2006-05-19 20:01:58]

Re: [samuraihistory] correcting some historical misconceptions

by jpellgen

Perhaps you are right about the Meiji Period... But I still find it a rather boring period when compared to everything that happened before and after. Of course, the revolution itself was quite exciting in my mind. The information about this period is not only sparse on this board, but in scholarship in general (for the reasons you mentioned). There are more books on WWII than I care to know about, and the same could be said of pre-Meiji Japan. However, I do wish my local university had a class on the Russo-Japanese War--a very under-rated war in terms of significance.

Jonathan Ellgen

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#8814 [2006-05-20 06:58:38]

Re: [samuraihistory] correcting some historical misconceptions

by draco_ptolemy

Thanks for that short synopsis and the links, I found what youy wrote to spur me to do some further research.

"So much AGAIN for samurai never doing anything dishonorable." As to this statement, the perception a person has as to what is honorable or not can change from person to person and even nation to nation. I can see how a Christian would see it as dishonorable yet the people who were expelling/torturing them could see it as a neccessity to an end. Perception is everything.

tokyo dog <tokyodog@...> wrote:
I窶冦 no expert in Japan history, but I窶况e noticed quite a few historical inaccuracies posted on this list recently. This is my attempt to respond to these comments and questions. I thought it might be helpful if I posted some comments, and some history books for people to read, for those who might be interested....



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#8815 [2006-05-20 02:23:20]

RE: [samuraihistory] correcting some historical misconceptions

by keecurlee

Now, These last letters were a very good rally of information... Any
time I can get enough reading input to keep me happy for this long of a
period, looking up names,and dates... Please keep up the good work... Irish
Kee

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Perhaps you are right about the Meiji Period... But I still find it a
rather boring period when compared to everything that happened before and
after. Of course, the revolution itself was quite exciting in my mind. The
information about this period is not only sparse on this board, but in
scholarship in general (for the reasons you mentioned). There are more
books on WWII than I care to know about, and the same could be said of
pre-Meiji Japan. However, I do wish my local university had a class on the
Russo-Japanese War--a very under-rated war in terms of significance.

Jonathan Ellgen

tokyo dog <tokyodog@...> wrote:I窶冦 no expert in Japan history, but
I窶况e noticed quite a few historical inaccuracies posted on this list
recently. This is my attempt to respond to these comments and questions. I
thought it might be helpful if I posted some comments, and some history
books for people to read, for those who might be interested.







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#8827 [2006-05-21 10:29:31]

Re: [samuraihistory] correcting some historical misconceptions

by captainharlockprodigy

Sean wrote:

>Thanks for that short synopsis and the links, I found what youy wrote to spur me to do some further research.
>
> "So much AGAIN for samurai never doing anything dishonorable." As to this statement, the perception a person has as to what is honorable or not can change from person to person and even nation to nation. I can see how a Christian would see it as dishonorable yet the people who were expelling/torturing them could see it as a neccessity to an end. Perception is everything.
>
>
Well, a lot of times whether something is honoroable/moral or not
depends on what end of the action the person judging it was/is on.

Dan Cooper

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#8829 [2006-05-22 20:38:28]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by shikisokuzekukusokuzeshiki8

> why don't people talk much about the meiji era

maybe because this is "samurai history " group.
or westernized japan isn't much attractive.

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#8832 [2006-05-22 20:34:25]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by shikisokuzekukusokuzeshiki8

>why did japan get rid of the shoguns and emperors

??emperors??

Did you do any research before posting?
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2128.html

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#9342 [2007-02-01 04:50:08]

question

by bandit_achim

hi @all,

i`m a new member of this group.
i' ve a great favour to ask you. in a discussion i get following question.
what will (or was happend) with a samurai, if he kill's another person
which has some things the samuari would like to have. for example (house, wife, etc..)
who was doing the police job in this age and in this fault. thx for the help

kind regards
achim


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#9343 [2007-02-01 12:06:14]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by acathrall

it wouldbe a terrible dishonor and he would probably be force to commit seppuku


Achim Proksch <bandit_achim@...> wrote:
hi @all,

i`m a new member of this group.
i' ve a great favour to ask you. in a discussion i get following question.
what will (or was happend) with a samurai, if he kill's another person
which has some things the samuari would like to have. for example (house, wife, etc..)
who was doing the police job in this age and in this fault. thx for the help

kind regards
achim


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#9344 [2007-02-01 13:33:39]

RE: [samuraihistory] question

by ninaboal21044

If a bushi (samurai or ronin) were to attempt to take another bushi's wife, the wife would be expected to defend herself or else commit jigai (the woman's version of seppuku) before she would be taken. Women of the bushi class regularly carried a knife; in many clans, she also received martial arts/self-defense training.

Nina aka "Wave Tossed"

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it wouldbe a terrible dishonor and he would probably be force to commit seppuku


Achim Proksch <bandit_achim@... > wrote:
hi @all,

i`m a new member of this group.
i' ve a great favour to ask you. in a discussion i get following question.
what will (or was happend) with a samurai, if he kill's another person
which has some things the samuari would like to have. for example (house, wife, etc..)
who was doing the police job in this age and in this fault. thx for the help

kind regards
achim

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#9370 [2007-02-16 04:00:27]

Re: [samuraihistory] question

by shikisokuzekukusokuzeshiki8

>who was doing the police job in this age and in this fault.

Edo period?
It depends on what kind of samurai he was.
If the samurai was hatamoto or gokenin, it suppose to be Metsuke.

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