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#1879 [2003-06-14 08:39:08]

Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by cebrann

Lat fall a Japanese friend visited the U.S. and gave me a samurai
Sword as a gift.

What is the proper way to take care of the Sword? Should one oil the
blade periodically? If so, what is the best kind of oil to use? Is
the anything else which should be done? What about the scabbard?
What maintence and care should be taken with it? Advise will be
appreciated.

Incidentally, this is a modern sword and is sold in Japan
unsharpened. Sholud I leave it that way? Is it possible to sharpen
these swords? If so is it desirable to have it sharpened?

Even though the sword is not sharpened, My friend had to get a police
permit to buy one. This took several months. On the way to the
states, three times he was required to open the box and show it to
inspectors at various airports.

Even though this this is not a collectors item it is very beautiful
and authentic looking and I am very proud of it. I have another
sword, but that was is very cheap looking with lots of plastic on the
handle. (Also a gift however, so the thought was there.)

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#1880 [2003-06-14 10:38:12]

Re: [samuraihistory] Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by umaryu

Hi

They will have been asked in Japan to show that the
sword was not an imprortant balde they were removing
from Japan, also in Japan all sharp swords require a
license the same way firearms require them.

If the blade is blunt then it is called an Iaito, I am
asumming then that the blade will me made of an allow.
If this is so you will not need to oild th blae etc.

Just dust it and care for it as a very nice ornamaent.

If the blade is made from steel then you will require
a cleaning kit. If that is the case let us know and we
will provide links where to get one from.

Paul



--- Bud Brann <cebrann@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Lat fall a Japanese friend visited the U.S. and gave
me a samurai
Sword as a gift.

What is the proper way to take care of the Sword?
Should one oil the
blade periodically? If so, what is the best kind of
oil to use? Is
the anything else which should be done? What about
the scabbard?
What maintence and care should be taken with it?
Advise will be
appreciated.

Incidentally, this is a modern sword and is sold in
Japan
unsharpened. Sholud I leave it that way? Is it
possible to sharpen
these swords? If so is it desirable to have it
sharpened?

Even though the sword is not sharpened, My friend had
to get a police
permit to buy one. This took several months. On the
way to the
states, three times he was required to open the box
and show it to
inspectors at various airports.

Even though this this is not a collectors item it is
very beautiful
and authentic looking and I am very proud of it. I
have another
sword, but that was is very cheap looking with lots of
plastic on the
handle. (Also a gift however, so the thought was
there.)


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#1884 [2003-06-14 21:46:02]

Got a question...

by mayalan

Hi!

Got a question: in 1603 Tokugawa Ieyasu was appointed as Shogun, and in 1616 he fougth against the last remains of the Toyotomi; was this the year when all the Daimyo submitted to his authority?, if not when this occured?

Thanks.

Edwin Angulo.





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#1885 [2003-06-15 00:53:59]

Re: [samuraihistory] Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by soshuju

Bud-
You are very lucky to have such a friend. Anyone who would go
to such trouble should be cherished. You need aks him if it is a
"shinsakuto"or a "Iaito" (mogito). If it is an Iaito then you need
only keep it clean, if it is a shinsakuto you'll need a cleaning kit.
For a traditionally made Japanese sword a cleaning kit is
tissue or better yet rice paper, a ball of uchiko and choji oil.
Uchiko is a mild abrasive used to clean off the old coating of oil
before an application of a new one. the Choji oil is usually a
mineral oil with a hint of choji (clove) for fragrance, this is most
assuredly NOT the same oil used for toothache so be careful. There is
also Tsubaki abura, or camellia oil which some prefer because it has
little or no odor. Uchiko is made from the "sludge" or by product of
the uchigomori stone used in polishing. Literally "child of the
Uchigomori". There are several grades but for Shinsakuto it matters
little.
If your saya is new, remember that it was likely not made for
your climate but that of Japan. If the fit of the habaki or collar on
your sword/saya is tight do not force it but leave a 1/4 inch of it
out of the saya. It is expected that in a new saya the opening will
be very tight, in a dryer climate it may contract and crack. There is
little maintence for a well made saya...
-t

if you believe you have a true nihonto I invite you to visit the
following link and to join the "nihonto@yahoogroups.com" list.

http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/nihonto.htm

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#1886 [2003-06-15 08:29:38]

Re: Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by jeff_l_harris

Hi Bud,

First off, is there any reason that you would need a sharp
sword? Unless you are training, or will be training in a style of
Japanese swordsmanship that performs tameshigiri(test cutting),it
would be a big expense for no practical reason. This should be done
by a professional sword polisher to be done properly (to preserve the
integrity and value of the blade), and that is costly.
If you are or will be taking up such training, your instructor
is who you should talk to. If he is not comfortable with his
knowledge of assessing swords they should know someone that can help.
Many a good blade has been ruined or destroyed by the untrained or
the inexperienced in attempts at sharpening.
Second, even if this sword is suitible for sharpening and you see a
need for a sharp sword, you may want to to leave it dull while you
learn the basics of handling it properly. People have lost fingers
just drawing a sword out improperly.
On mataining the sword, if it if steel, there is a good article on
the JSSUS (Japanese Sword Society of the US) website--here is their
link: http://www.jssus.org/.

Good Luck, and whatever you do, be safe!
Jeff Harris

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Bud Brann"
wrote:
> Lat fall a Japanese friend visited the U.S. and gave me a samurai
> Sword as a gift.
>
> What is the proper way to take care of the Sword? Should one oil
the
> blade periodically? If so, what is the best kind of oil to use? Is
> the anything else which should be done? What about the scabbard?
> What maintence and care should be taken with it? Advise will be
> appreciated.
>
> Incidentally, this is a modern sword and is sold in Japan
> unsharpened. Sholud I leave it that way? Is it possible to sharpen
> these swords? If so is it desirable to have it sharpened?
>
> Even though the sword is not sharpened, My friend had to get a
police
> permit to buy one. This took several months. On the way to the
> states, three times he was required to open the box and show it to
> inspectors at various airports.
>
> Even though this this is not a collectors item it is very
beautiful
> and authentic looking and I am very proud of it. I have another
> sword, but that was is very cheap looking with lots of plastic on
the
> handle. (Also a gift however, so the thought was there.)

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#1887 [2003-06-15 14:44:18]

Re: Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by cebrann

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "jeff_l_harris"
wrote:

Thank you for your response Jeff.

No, there is no reason to sharpen the sword. I am just curious.


> Hi Bud,
>
> First off, is there any reason that you would need a sharp
> sword? Unless you are training, or will be training in a style of
> Japanese swordsmanship that performs tameshigiri(test cutting),it
> would be a big expense for no practical reason. This should be done
> by a professional sword polisher to be done properly (to preserve
the
> integrity and value of the blade), and that is costly.
> If you are or will be taking up such training, your instructor
> is who you should talk to. If he is not comfortable with his
> knowledge of assessing swords they should know someone that can
help.
> Many a good blade has been ruined or destroyed by the untrained or
> the inexperienced in attempts at sharpening.
> Second, even if this sword is suitible for sharpening and you see
a
> need for a sharp sword, you may want to to leave it dull while you
> learn the basics of handling it properly. People have lost fingers
> just drawing a sword out improperly.
> On mataining the sword, if it if steel, there is a good article
on
> the JSSUS (Japanese Sword Society of the US) website--here is their
> link: http://www.jssus.org/.
>
> Good Luck, and whatever you do, be safe!
> Jeff Harris
>
> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Bud Brann"
> wrote:
> > Lat fall a Japanese friend visited the U.S. and gave me a samurai
> > Sword as a gift.
> >
> > What is the proper way to take care of the Sword? Should one oil
> the
> > blade periodically? If so, what is the best kind of oil to use?
Is
> > the anything else which should be done? What about the scabbard?
> > What maintence and care should be taken with it? Advise will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Incidentally, this is a modern sword and is sold in Japan
> > unsharpened. Sholud I leave it that way? Is it possible to
sharpen
> > these swords? If so is it desirable to have it sharpened?
> >
> > Even though the sword is not sharpened, My friend had to get a
> police
> > permit to buy one. This took several months. On the way to the
> > states, three times he was required to open the box and show it
to
> > inspectors at various airports.
> >
> > Even though this this is not a collectors item it is very
> beautiful
> > and authentic looking and I am very proud of it. I have another
> > sword, but that was is very cheap looking with lots of plastic on
> the
> > handle. (Also a gift however, so the thought was there.)

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#1888 [2003-06-15 15:22:52]

Re: Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by cebrann

Thank you Tom. I appreciate your comments.

Yes I am honored and privileged to have a friend such as Yasuhiro,
(Ken) Komatsu. I have known Komatsu-San for 20 years, first as
business associates then as friends. Ken was employed by a company
which was the Japanese distributor for my company's products.

Ken was the best English speaker with his company and as such was
sent to the U.S. for 6 months to learn better English and our company
products. As Manager Far East I spent much time with him. My company
also spent $ 7000 on Japanese language lessons for me, so we could
converse pretty well.

I have been greatly honored by being invited several times to visit
his home, not common in Japan where most entertaining is done
elsewhere, and he has visited mine. I became well acquainted with his
family; his father, wife and two children.

I took early retirement in 1992 and a few years later Komatsu-San
changed companies. I very much regret that I have not been able to
visit Japan since I retired, but Komatsu-San has been to the U.S.
twice and each time has visited me, at some effort since I live in an
out of the way community now. We correspond by e-mail.

Although during my career, I have been so lucky as to be able to
visit, often numerous times, some 40 countries in Europe, the Middle
East, Central and South America, and Asia as well as Australia, I
grew to love Japan and the Japanese people most. I have never met any
people who work so hard, and play equally hard, who are so worldly
wise, yet cherish their gardens, temples, and Cherry blossums. Had I
not had a business reversal losing a lot of money, I had planned to
try and live in Japan for a year or two.

While I can never repay Ken's wonderful gift to me, he sort of thinks
I have. He is a great fan of Glen Cambell and Andy Williams. During
one of his visits I took him to see Andy Williams in Branson and he
told me that was the best Christmas present I could ever give him.
Last fall, he brought his Wife to the U.S. for the first time and I
took them both to see Andy Williams and Glen Cambell.

What amazed both him and me was how his wife, who speaks virtually no
English, could disappear, going to the ladies room for what seemed
like ages, and when we would go looking for her we found that,
through the language barrier, she was conversing with an American
woman and within 15 minutes they knew all about each others children
and lives.
Perhaps its through such simple things that world understanding and
peace will someday be achieved.

Bud



--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, tom helm wrote:



> Bud-
> You are very lucky to have such a friend. Anyone who would go
> to such trouble should be cherished. You need aks him if it is a
> "shinsakuto"or a "Iaito" (mogito). If it is an Iaito then you need
> only keep it clean, if it is a shinsakuto you'll need a cleaning
kit.
> For a traditionally made Japanese sword a cleaning kit is
> tissue or better yet rice paper, a ball of uchiko and choji oil.
> Uchiko is a mild abrasive used to clean off the old coating of oil
> before an application of a new one. the Choji oil is usually a
> mineral oil with a hint of choji (clove) for fragrance, this is
most
> assuredly NOT the same oil used for toothache so be careful. There
is
> also Tsubaki abura, or camellia oil which some prefer because it
has
> little or no odor. Uchiko is made from the "sludge" or by product
of
> the uchigomori stone used in polishing. Literally "child of the
> Uchigomori". There are several grades but for Shinsakuto it matters
> little.
> If your saya is new, remember that it was likely not made for
> your climate but that of Japan. If the fit of the habaki or collar
on
> your sword/saya is tight do not force it but leave a 1/4 inch of it
> out of the saya. It is expected that in a new saya the opening will
> be very tight, in a dryer climate it may contract and crack. There
is
> little maintence for a well made saya...
> -t
>
> if you believe you have a true nihonto I invite you to visit the
> following link and to join the "nihonto@yahoogroups.com" list.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/nihonto.htm

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#1889 [2003-06-15 18:28:28]

Re: [samuraihistory] Got a question...

by samuraiwm

There is no one year that all the Daimyo submitted to Tokugawa. It was a
gradual process. There were already some Daimyo under his command before
Sekigahara. Most others submitted in the years following. The fall of Osaka
castle would though represent the final submission to Tokugawa authority.

As a measure of submission one may consider the Sankin Kotai system. To
understand the chronology of who submitted and when I might suggest reading
Toshio Tsukahira's Feudal Control in Tokugawa Japan.

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#1890 [2003-06-15 18:56:42]

[samuraihistory] Re: Proper Care of Japanese Swords

by soshuju

>
>Perhaps its through such simple things that world understanding and
>peace will someday be achieved.
>
>Bud
>
>
Heres hopin'...
-t

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#1891 [2003-06-15 21:05:38]

Re: [samuraihistory] Got a question...

by sengokudaimyo

Edwin Angulo wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Got a question: in 1603 Tokugawa Ieyasu was appointed as Shogun, and in 1616 he fougth against the last remains of the Toyotomi; was this the year when all the Daimyo submitted to his authority?, if not when this occured?
>

Technically, they submitted after Sekigahara, by 1603. Otherwise, he would not have been able to redistribute fiefs and remove erstwhile enemies (like the Mori) from power. It is worth noting that during the Osaka Campaigns,
not a single daimyo took part on the Totoyomi side.


Tony

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#1892 [2003-06-16 08:31:13]

Re: [samuraihistory] Got a question...

by shakuohcho

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Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Got a question...


There is no one year that all the Daimyo submitted to Tokugawa. It was a
gradual process. There were already some Daimyo under his command before
Sekigahara. Most others submitted in the years following. The fall of Osaka
castle would though represent the final submission to Tokugawa authority.

As a measure of submission one may consider the Sankin Kotai system. To
understand the chronology of who submitted and when I might suggest reading
Toshio Tsukahira's Feudal Control in Tokugawa Japan.



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#1894 [2003-06-16 21:28:58]

Re: [samuraihistory] Got a question...

by mayalan

Well, this is very useful.

Thank you all !

Edwin Angulo.



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