what about oniwabanshu??

> Okay, as I have said before. I am no expert, but I did do a little
> searchin on the net and found out this about oniwabanshu (can

> plz tell me what that means?)
>
> "The Oniwabanshuu were a group of ninjas/onmitsus established by

> Tokugawa shogun, Tokugawa Yoshimune (1684-1751), who is considered

> one of Japan's greatest rulers. His far-reaching reforms totally
> reshaped the central administration structure and temporarily

> decline of the shogunate. He was originally the head of Kii, one of

> three hereditary Japanese feudal fiefs ruled by descendants of the
> original Tokugawa ruler not in the main line of succession to the
> Shogunate. (The other two fiefs/hans were Owari and Mito -

> 3 hans were known as the 3 Houses, or Sanke.) A lack of sons in the

> branch of the family, though, resulted in Yoshimune's succession to

> position of Shogun in 1716.
>
> Yoshimune established the Oniwabanshuu for security, information
> gathering and spying activities. Originally, members of the

> were chosen from the Kii clan, and was passed down in the families -

> other words, the posts of the Oniwabanshuu were hereditary. They

> as security guards in the Edo castle, besides spying on other clans

> their policies and actions. It was also believed that in Bakumatsu
> times, Oniwabanshuu members were placed among the missions sent to
> America."
>
> I have no knowledge in this area so I cannot verify nor deni its
> authentisity.
> This is the link were i found the info.
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/5770/history.htm
>
> /// Chris
>
> "God's in his heaven. All's right with the world"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Danyael X [mailto:danyael_x@b...]
> > Sent: den 7 juni 2003 20:51
> > To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] what about oniwabanshu??
> >
> >
> > Ruroken's creator Watsuki Nobuhiro is known to _loosely_ base
> > his story on real events and caracters. There has probablu
> > been something in the general function of the oniwabanshu in
> > Kyoto. As said in an other mail on sthe subject of "ninjas"
> > and Shinobu. They have with out a doubt existed. We just dont
> > know very much about them, and their activites. But then
> > again, they were sceret spies and guerillas so it would have
> > been counterproductive to be known.
> >
> > As a modern paralell, There are 120 suspected spy academies
> > around the world. But only two publicly known. CIA's The Farm
> > outside Washinton DC and i think the other one is in UK or
> > Russia. Not sure there. Do we know what and who are training
> > there? Nope. Not a clue. Why? sore wa himitsu des! (as Xellos
> > would have said)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /// Chris
> >
> > "God's in his heaven. All's right with the world"
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniele Frison [mailto:eriel666@y...]
> > > Sent: den 7 juni 2003 18:44
> > > To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [samuraihistory] what about oniwabanshu??
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi! My name is Daniele.
> > > 'til today I kept reading your discussions because i'm a
> > > student of japanese literature and language. I would like to
> > > know if oniwabanshu existed for real or they are fantasy?
> > > thanks a lot
> > > Daniele
> > >
> >
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> Okay, as I have said before. I am no expert, but I did do a little
> searchin on the net and found out this about oniwabanshu (can

> plz tell me what that means?)
>
> "The Oniwabanshuu were a group of ninjas/onmitsus established by

> Tokugawa shogun, Tokugawa Yoshimune (1684-1751), who is considered

> one of Japan's greatest rulers. His far-reaching reforms totally
> reshaped the central administration structure and temporarily

> decline of the shogunate. He was originally the head of Kii, one of

> three hereditary Japanese feudal fiefs ruled by descendants of the
> original Tokugawa ruler not in the main line of succession to the
> Shogunate. (The other two fiefs/hans were Owari and Mito -

> 3 hans were known as the 3 Houses, or Sanke.) A lack of sons in the

> branch of the family, though, resulted in Yoshimune's succession to

> position of Shogun in 1716.
>
> Yoshimune established the Oniwabanshuu for security, information
> gathering and spying activities. Originally, members of the

> were chosen from the Kii clan, and was passed down in the families -

> other words, the posts of the Oniwabanshuu were hereditary. They

> as security guards in the Edo castle, besides spying on other clans

> their policies and actions. It was also believed that in Bakumatsu
> times, Oniwabanshuu members were placed among the missions sent to
> America."
>
> I have no knowledge in this area so I cannot verify nor deni its
> authentisity.
> This is the link were i found the info.
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/5770/history.htm
>
> /// Chris
>
> "God's in his heaven. All's right with the world"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Danyael X [mailto:danyael_x@b...]
> > Sent: den 7 juni 2003 20:51
> > To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] what about oniwabanshu??
> >
> >
> > Ruroken's creator Watsuki Nobuhiro is known to _loosely_ base
> > his story on real events and caracters. There has probablu
> > been something in the general function of the oniwabanshu in
> > Kyoto. As said in an other mail on sthe subject of "ninjas"
> > and Shinobu. They have with out a doubt existed. We just dont
> > know very much about them, and their activites. But then
> > again, they were sceret spies and guerillas so it would have
> > been counterproductive to be known.
> >
> > As a modern paralell, There are 120 suspected spy academies
> > around the world. But only two publicly known. CIA's The Farm
> > outside Washinton DC and i think the other one is in UK or
> > Russia. Not sure there. Do we know what and who are training
> > there? Nope. Not a clue. Why? sore wa himitsu des! (as Xellos
> > would have said)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /// Chris
> >
> > "God's in his heaven. All's right with the world"
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniele Frison [mailto:eriel666@y...]
> > > Sent: den 7 juni 2003 18:44
> > > To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [samuraihistory] what about oniwabanshu??
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi! My name is Daniele.
> > > 'til today I kept reading your discussions because i'm a
> > > student of japanese literature and language. I would like to
> > > know if oniwabanshu existed for real or they are fantasy?
> > > thanks a lot
> > > Daniele
> > >
> >
> >
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