Re: [Re: [samuraihistory] ships]

Rod

Saw this on the Samurai History list about your work on Tokugawa ships etc.

I study Kukishinden Ryu, which is a branch of the Kukishin ryu of the Kuki
family from Ayabe (Tanabe & Settsu) - bit of a mouthful.

I have some limited information and am looking for more on the shuips used by
the Kuki who are supposed ot have been admirals of the fleets belonging to
Oda, Hideyoshi (involved heavily for him in Korea), and some work with the
Tokugawa. They are even believed to have saild 6 Iron clad ships against the
Mori in a sea battle in the Bay of Osaka or Kobe.

By chance have you anything further than what Turnbull worte about them in his
book Samurai Warfare

best wishes

paul

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Hi Joel

A collegue and I are currently writing a book on various Mlitary Aspects of
Japan, One of the chapters is covering the ships of the Tokugawa period.
Howevr, I am sure that we have some info on the earlier vessels... Tell me
more about your project.

I am based in the UK whilst my co-author is in Okinawa.

Regards,

Rod Johnson

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Subject: [samuraihistory] ships


> Hi I'm new...
>
> I'm looking for any info., art or pics about ships and or boats in the
Kamakura Period. I currently have very little and need some for a web site
that I'm setting up.
>
> any help would be appreciated
>
> Joel Bisaillon
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got another question for everyone, any good story books fiction or non
fiction books about the samurai(besides the fiction "shogun" by james clavell
and the non-fiction "47 ronin") sure would appreciate any info..much
respect..Daimon

Probably the two most obvious choices would be 'Taiko' and 'Musashi'
by Eiji Yoshikawa - the former a fictionalization of the life of
Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and the latter a fictionalization of the life of
Miyamoto Musashi. I'm sure others on the list can come up with
more. Otherwise, I myself have translated the beginings of two
stories, one on the life of Takeda Shingen:
http://www.techjapanese.com/samurai/shingent2.html and one one the
life of Toyotomi Hideyoshi:
http://www.techjapanese.com/samurai/hideyoshit1.html The
translations are pretty much strait translations, I really didnt edit
them, just pretty much went word for word into english, so some of
the sentences might be a bit awkward... Anyway, time permitting I'll
add to them.

C. West

> got another question for everyone, any good story books fiction or non
> fiction books about the samurai(besides the fiction "shogun" by james

clavell

> and the non-fiction "47 ronin") sure would appreciate any info..much
> respect..Daimon

I THINK A 'MUST' IS YOSHIKAWA'S NOVEL 'MUSASHI', GREAT BOOK.

Amphipolis
http://www.crosswinds.net/~hakser/
http://www.crosswinds.net/~musashi1584/

I can suggest a series of mystery novels set in seventeenth-century Japan.
The author is Laura Joh Rowland. Her novels include SHINJU(1994),
BUNDORI(1996), THE WAY OF THE TRAITOR (1997), THE CONCUBINE'S TATTOO(1998)
and the most recent THE SAMURAI'S WIFE (2000). All feature the Samurai
detective Sano Ichiro.

Along the same vein as THE NAME OF THE ROSE by Umberto Eco.

Hope this helps...Paul

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> > respect..Daimon
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> I THINK A 'MUST' IS YOSHIKAWA'S NOVEL 'MUSASHI', GREAT BOOK.
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> http://www.crosswinds.net/~musashi1584/
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> Rod
> Saw this on the Samurai History list about your work on Tokugawa ships

etc.

> I study Kukishinden Ryu, which is a branch of the Kukishin ryu of the Kuki

family from Ayabe (Tanabe & Settsu) - bit of a mouthful.

> I have some limited information and am looking for more on the shuips used

by
the Kuki who are supposed ot have been admirals of the fleets belonging to
Oda, Hideyoshi (involved heavily for him in Korea), and some work with the
Tokugawa. They are even believed to have saild 6 Iron clad ships against the
Mori in a sea battle in the Bay of Osaka or Kobe.

What do you have on the Japanese naval side of the Korea campaign ? I am
very interested in that campaign and have dug up a fair amount on the land
action from both sides and also quite a lot on the naval campaign, but only
from Korean point of view.

Greetings
Karl Heinz

good luck and thank you very much for the timely response. Appare chushin!

isnt karl heinz one of the characters in the story "snow falling on
cedars"?..dont mind me,just trying my two kokus worth of curiosity

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> got another question for everyone, any good story books fiction or non
> fiction books about the samurai(besides the fiction "shogun" by james clavell
> and the non-fiction "47 ronin") sure would appreciate any info..much
> respect..Daimon

I know it's an old message, but a good one.

Get a copy of "The Signore" by Tsuji Kunio (it's in translation and is available
from Kodansha International, and is paperback. It purports to be a letter
"home" by an Italian adventurer in the suite of Fr. Organtino, who gets involved
with Nobunaga ('the signore') who is never actually named. It was an award-
winnning novel in Japan, and predated Shogun by several years as a "European
in Japan" story.

If you want some good samurai fiction, why not read some originals, like "The
Tale of the Heike"? There are a few good translations out there.

Tony

thnx for enlightening me