Question...

Hi!!

Got a question: is there a difference between nobori an hata-sashimono?, if there is one, wich is?

Thanks!

Edwin Angulo.



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Hey!
Those of you who live in, have been to, or have a great deal more
knowledge than I do of Japan (which is probably most of you): I was reading
something on Nobunaga, Asai and the likes from Shizugatake at the sho-shin site, and
I saw a picture of the spot where Asai (supposedly) took his seppuku. The
caption reads "Scene of Nagamasa's seppuku, directly outside Odani's Apartment."
Two questions: is it the site of Asai's seppuku and what exactly IS "Odani's
Apartment"? The picture is here...

http://www.sho-shin.com/oda1.htm

It requires some scrolling to get to, though. Thanx in advance for
any info. 8-D

L8r.
Tim


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Eponymous13@... wrote:

> Hey!
> Those of you who live in, have been to, or have a great deal more
> knowledge than I do of Japan (which is probably most of you): I was reading
> something on Nobunaga, Asai and the likes from Shizugatake at the sho-shin site, and
> I saw a picture of the spot where Asai (supposedly) took his seppuku. The
> caption reads "Scene of Nagamasa's seppuku, directly outside Odani's Apartment."
> Two questions: is it the site of Asai's seppuku and what exactly IS "Odani's
> Apartment"? The picture is here...

It was the room occupied by Odani no kata.


Tony

Ah. ok. Thanx! :-D I had been wondering... :-D

L8r.
Tim


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EP--

DO the words "bad translation" mean anything to you?
They didn't have apartments in 1573. Whoever made the
site needs to hit the dictionary again.

nate

--- Eponymous13@... wrote:

> Hey!
> Those of you who live in, have been to, or
> have a great deal more
> knowledge than I do of Japan (which is probably most
> of you): I was reading
> something on Nobunaga, Asai and the likes from
> Shizugatake at the sho-shin site, and
> I saw a picture of the spot where Asai (supposedly)
> took his seppuku. The
> caption reads "Scene of Nagamasa's seppuku, directly
> outside Odani's Apartment."
> Two questions: is it the site of Asai's seppuku and
> what exactly IS "Odani's
> Apartment"? The picture is here...
>
> http://www.sho-shin.com/oda1.htm
>
> It requires some scrolling to get to, though.
> Thanx in advance for
> any info. 8-D
>
> L8r.
> Tim
>
>
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> removed]
>
>

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Really? I figured she'd have at least a
"manshon"...heck, if I can get a 4 bedroom house in
Yoyogi (with a yard and garage, too!) then you'd think
the sister of Nobunaga could do a little better!

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Eponymous13@... wrote:
> > Hey!
> > Those of you who live in, have been to, or
> have a great deal more
> > knowledge than I do of Japan (which is probably
> most of you): I was reading
> > something on Nobunaga, Asai and the likes from
> Shizugatake at the sho-shin site, and
> > I saw a picture of the spot where Asai
> (supposedly) took his seppuku. The
> > caption reads "Scene of Nagamasa's seppuku,
> directly outside Odani's Apartment."
> > Two questions: is it the site of Asai's seppuku
> and what exactly IS "Odani's
> > Apartment"? The picture is here...
>
> It was the room occupied by Odani no kata.
>
>
> Tony
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Really? I figured she'd have at least a
> "manshon"...heck, if I can get a 4 bedroom house in
> Yoyogi (with a yard and garage, too!) then you'd think
> the sister of Nobunaga could do a little better!
>

You're a sick man, Nate.


Tony

Should I mention that my employer (and hence, you) is
paying for it??

Yep, I'm going jogging every morning in Yoyogi
Koen...hehehehe

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > Really? I figured she'd have at least a
> > "manshon"...heck, if I can get a 4 bedroom house
> in
> > Yoyogi (with a yard and garage, too!) then you'd
> think
> > the sister of Nobunaga could do a little better!
> >
>
> You're a sick man, Nate.
>
>
> Tony
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Should I mention that my employer (and hence, you) is
> paying for it??
>
> Yep, I'm going jogging every morning in Yoyogi
> Koen...hehehehe

I hate you so much right now.

Sigh.


Tony

I hate me too...

Though I will say that the whole Japanese housing
system is a pain in the ass. I'm coming out $590 short
on the conversions from what the government pays me
for key money, deposit, agent fee, and first month's
rent and what my bank then reconverts it to in yen to
send to the Japanse bank. The difference between 106
yen per dollar and 104 yen, over $30,000, adds up to a
lot.

That being said, I'm still living in Tokyo! It's not
Nagoya, but it will do!

And did I mention my office is in Nish Azabu, about 5
min from Roppongi??


Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > Should I mention that my employer (and hence, you)
> is
> > paying for it??
> >
> > Yep, I'm going jogging every morning in Yoyogi
> > Koen...hehehehe
>
> I hate you so much right now.
>
> Sigh.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> And did I mention my office is in Nish Azabu, about 5
> min from Roppongi??

Grrrrr.

Charinko de ikeru zo...

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
>
> > And did I mention my office is in Nish Azabu,
> about 5
> > min from Roppongi??
>
> Grrrrr.
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Charinko de ikeru zo...

And the uma you notta in on.


Tony

Boooooooo!!!!
Tokyo sucks!!! ;o)
Kansai ga ichiban!!!
Go Hanshin Tigers!!
cepo ;o)

PS=I am not envious.
I am not envious.
I am not envious. I am not envious. I am not envious.
Let's all repeat...
I am not envious....

Well, Ore wa Nagoya-ko dagyaa...

But I'll take what I can get!!!

Nate

--- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:

> Boooooooo!!!!
> Tokyo sucks!!! ;o)
> Kansai ga ichiban!!!
> Go Hanshin Tigers!!
> cepo ;o)
>
> PS=I am not envious.
> I am not envious.
> I am not envious. I am not envious. I am not
> envious.
> Let's all repeat...
> I am not envious....
>
>

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Nate...
Hey -- take it easy. I know hardly any Japanese outside of ozumo or
food, and most of what I DO know outside of food is simply names. :-D No
harm, though. :-D

L8r.
Tim


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> Roppongi??
>
>
>

Dude,
The Sword Museum is in Yoyogi, The National Museum in Ueno, the Eisei
Bunko, Seikado and Nezu are all elsewhere. Even the Katchu kai meets in
Hachioji, theres NOTHING worthwhile in Roppongi!
-t

Tim--

I am taking it easy--no harm no foul. Don't read in
meanness or sarcasm where there isn't any, okay?
Basically, whoever translated that was most likely
Japanese, was looking for the right word, and whatever
they wanted to translate (I doubt it was "apaato", but
maybe it was whatever the word "quarters" would
be--that I'm not so sure of...) didn't quite match up
with what WE would understand in English. Personally,
it made me laugh--I'm not tense about nothing, except
getting my key money paid to my landlord so I don't
lose my house...in Tokyo, just in case Tony is paying
attention...

Nate

--- Eponymous13@... wrote:

> Nate...
> Hey -- take it easy. I know hardly any
> Japanese outside of ozumo or
> food, and most of what I DO know outside of food is
> simply names. :-D No
> harm, though. :-D
>
> L8r.
> Tim
>
>
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> removed]
>
>

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Um, get your head out of the bugei world for JUST ONE
SECOND!!! There's a ton to do in Roppongi, or nearby,
and I'm not just talking getting soused--been to
Roppongi Hills yet? Not too bad. Nogi-jinja is right
next to my office, Aoyama/Akasaka are right
there...it's a good location, man.

Of course, I'll point out that is just my office. My
home is in Yoyogi, right next to Yoyogi koen, a brisk
walk to Meiji Jingu, and near your Sword museum.

Ciao.

Nate

--- Tom Helm <junkmail@...> wrote:

> > Roppongi??
> >
> >
> >
>
> Dude,
> The Sword Museum is in Yoyogi, The National Museum
> in Ueno, the Eisei
> Bunko, Seikado and Nezu are all elsewhere. Even the
> Katchu kai meets in
> Hachioji, theres NOTHING worthwhile in Roppongi!
> -t
>
>

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LOL!!!!!! :-D I was almost laughing as I put my own post in just now. :-D
So believe me, no harm done at all!!!!! Too bad I don't have a way to live
in Tokyo. If I'd had my arse in gear ten years ago, or even FIVE years ago,
I'd be at Ryogoku Kokugikan battling it out on the dohyo with the other rikishi
for a yusho! :-D

L8r.
Tim


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This may sound like a far out where the hell is that coming from question,
but Iron Chef Sakai's restaurant is in Akasaka, if memory serves me correctly.
Been to it, nate? if so, how is it?

Tim


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< paying for it?? Yep, I'm going jogging every morning in Yoyogi
Koen...hehehehe

Nate>>

Should I mention when your tour of duty is up I will still be here in Osaka.

Samurai William

On Jan 21, 2004, at 9:23 PM, Tom Helm wrote:

>
> Dude,
> The Sword Museum is in Yoyogi, The National Museum in Ueno, the Eisei
> Bunko, Seikado and Nezu are all elsewhere. Even the Katchu kai meets in
> Hachioji, theres NOTHING worthwhile in Roppongi!
> -t

Oh... I am not a big fan of Tokyo and Roppongi, but when I visited, I
saw a few nice things there too.... :oD
Have you ever visited Kichijoji Park? I like that place a lot.
bye,
cepo (kansai-jin)


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Don't forget the Hard Rock Cafe - much cooler than the one in Osaka.

>>>>>Um, get your head out of the bugei world for JUST ONE

SECOND!!! There's a ton to do in Roppongi, or nearby,
and I'm not just talking getting soused--been to
Roppongi Hills yet? Not too bad. Nogi-jinja is right
next to my office, Aoyama/Akasaka are right
there...it's a good location, man.

Of course, I'll point out that is just my office. My
home is in Yoyogi, right next to Yoyogi koen, a brisk
walk to Meiji Jingu, and near your Sword museum.

Ciao.

Nate

Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Tim--
>
> I am taking it easy--no harm no foul. Don't read in
> meanness or sarcasm where there isn't any, okay?
> Basically, whoever translated that was most likely
> Japanese, was looking for the right word, and whatever
> they wanted to translate (I doubt it was "apaato", but
> maybe it was whatever the word "quarters" would
> be--that I'm not so sure of...) didn't quite match up
> with what WE would understand in English. Personally,
> it made me laugh--I'm not tense about nothing, except
> getting my key money paid to my landlord so I don't
> lose my house...in Tokyo, just in case Tony is paying
> attention...

I thought you were kidding.

The term "apartment" is exactly correct. Any suite of rooms in a palace set
aside for someone's use is called their apartment.

Heck, just do a google search on "queen's apartment" or somesuch.

Tony

On Jan 22, 2004, at 10:29 AM, Anthony J. Bryant wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > Tim--
> >
> > I am taking it easy--no harm no foul. Don't read in
> > meanness or sarcasm where there isn't any, okay?
> > Basically, whoever translated that was most likely
> > Japanese, was looking for the right word, and whatever
> > they wanted to translate (I doubt it was "apaato", but
> > maybe it was whatever the word "quarters" would
> > be--that I'm not so sure of...) didn't quite match up
> > with what WE would understand in English. Personally,
> > it made me laugh--I'm not tense about nothing, except
> > getting my key money paid to my landlord so I don't
> > lose my house...in Tokyo, just in case Tony is paying
> > attention...
>
> I thought you were kidding.
>
> The term "apartment" is exactly correct. Any suite of rooms in a
> palace set
> aside for someone's use is called their apartment.
>
> Heck, just do a google search on "queen's apartment" or somesuch.
>
> Tony

Well, the etymology of the word is (latin) "a parte," meaning "besides"
or -of course "apart."
Makes sense.
cepo


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I'm not that Okane-mochi man...gimme some time, I just
got here.

Nate

--- Eponymous13@... wrote:

> This may sound like a far out where the hell is that
> coming from question,
> but Iron Chef Sakai's restaurant is in Akasaka, if
> memory serves me correctly.
> Been to it, nate? if so, how is it?
>
> Tim
>
>
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> removed]
>
>

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That's no fair...you married into it!!!!

Nate

--- William&Mikiko Letham <mickey.letham@...>
wrote:

> < > is
> paying for it?? Yep, I'm going jogging every morning
> in Yoyogi
> Koen...hehehehe
>
> Nate>>
>
> Should I mention when your tour of duty is up I will
> still be here in Osaka.
>
> Samurai William
>
>
>

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Walked by it the other night...didn't go in, way
overpriced. I'd rather duck into Yoshinoya or Matsuya
for a cheap bowl of gyuudon.

Besides, it can't beat the Hard Rock in Singapore.

Nate

--- samurai-listowner@... wrote:

> Don't forget the Hard Rock Cafe - much cooler than
> the one in Osaka.
>
> >>>>>Um, get your head out of the bugei world for
> JUST ONE
> SECOND!!! There's a ton to do in Roppongi, or
> nearby,
> and I'm not just talking getting soused--been to
> Roppongi Hills yet? Not too bad. Nogi-jinja is right
> next to my office, Aoyama/Akasaka are right
> there...it's a good location, man.
>
> Of course, I'll point out that is just my office. My
> home is in Yoyogi, right next to Yoyogi koen, a
> brisk
> walk to Meiji Jingu, and near your Sword museum.
>
> Ciao.
>
> Nate
>
>
>
>

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Tony--

Okay, for those of us not in academia, an apartment is
a several room dwelling that you rent from a landlord.
I've heard it used in that context before, but it's
HARDLY common.

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > Tim--
> >
> > I am taking it easy--no harm no foul. Don't read
> in
> > meanness or sarcasm where there isn't any, okay?
> > Basically, whoever translated that was most likely
> > Japanese, was looking for the right word, and
> whatever
> > they wanted to translate (I doubt it was "apaato",
> but
> > maybe it was whatever the word "quarters" would
> > be--that I'm not so sure of...) didn't quite match
> up
> > with what WE would understand in English.
> Personally,
> > it made me laugh--I'm not tense about nothing,
> except
> > getting my key money paid to my landlord so I
> don't
> > lose my house...in Tokyo, just in case Tony is
> paying
> > attention...
>
> I thought you were kidding.
>
> The term "apartment" is exactly correct. Any suite
> of rooms in a palace set
> aside for someone's use is called their apartment.
>
> Heck, just do a google search on "queen's apartment"
> or somesuch.
>
> Tony
>
>

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HAHAHA!!!!! :-D Okay. Just wondering. :-D Let me know how it is if you do
go there. K? Thanx. :-D

L8r.
Tim


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On Jan 23, 2004, at 7:40 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Walked by it the other night...didn't go in, way
> overpriced. I'd rather duck into Yoshinoya or Matsuya
> for a cheap bowl of gyuudon.
>
> Besides, it can't beat the Hard Rock in Singapore.
>
> Nate

I don't mean to be rude, but the one in Reykjavik has to be the best...
Well, that one and the one in bali are the only ones I've seen actually
:oO
cepo


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<
Nate>>

All is fair in love and war!!! And I love being in Japan!!!!!!

Well, at least mine is paid for (mostly) by Tony's tax
dollars...

Nate

--- William&Mikiko Letham <mickey.letham@...>
wrote:

> < >
> Nate>>
>
> All is fair in love and war!!! And I love being in
> Japan!!!!!!
>
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Tony--
>
> Okay, for those of us not in academia, an apartment is
> a several room dwelling that you rent from a landlord.
> I've heard it used in that context before, but it's
> HARDLY common.

LOL!

It's *hardly* academic. It's quite common. You just spent too much time playing
with Japanese and are trapped in the "apaato" mindset.


Tony

Sou kamo ne...

Maybe it's also the fact that I've been searching for
"apaato"...of course, I found an "uchi".

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
> > Tony--
> >
> > Okay, for those of us not in academia, an
> apartment is
> > a several room dwelling that you rent from a
> landlord.
> > I've heard it used in that context before, but
> it's
> > HARDLY common.
>
> LOL!
>
> It's *hardly* academic. It's quite common. You just
> spent too much time playing
> with Japanese and are trapped in the "apaato"
> mindset.
>
>
> Tony
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Sou kamo ne...
>
> Maybe it's also the fact that I've been searching for
> "apaato"...of course, I found an "uchi".

Do you have a spare bedroom?


Tony

I've got 3 spare bedrooms. Just show me how to get NHK
on my TV.

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > Sou kamo ne...
> >
> > Maybe it's also the fact that I've been searching
> for
> > "apaato"...of course, I found an "uchi".
>
> Do you have a spare bedroom?
>
>
> Tony
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> I've got 3 spare bedrooms. Just show me how to get NHK
> on my TV.

The guy will come by and ask you to pay. Don't worry.


Tony

I was all set up to get Sky Perfect before I found out
I still had to get a regular antenna to see the
regular channels. Other than the Jidai geki channel
(and my wife isn't going to go for it JUST for that)
and ESPN, what's the point? I can watch my Sanma's
Karakuri Terebi just fine without it.

Nate

--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > I've got 3 spare bedrooms. Just show me how to get
> NHK
> > on my TV.
>
> The guy will come by and ask you to pay. Don't
> worry.
>
>
> Tony
>
>

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> I was all set up to get Sky Perfect before I found out
> I still had to get a regular antenna to see the
> regular channels. Other than the Jidai geki channel
> (and my wife isn't going to go for it JUST for that)
> and ESPN, what's the point? I can watch my Sanma's
> Karakuri Terebi just fine without it.

What? No Jidai geki channel?

That's what it's all about!!

T.

Hey.
Just one this time. Oda General Sakuma Nobumori and his family: any
relation to Shibata general Sakuma Morimasa? Just wondering. :-) Take care,
y'all. :-)

L8r
Tim


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