No problem.I'm not offended.I'm really happy because someone is saying their opinion about other religions.Edy
Carmen Campo <
carmen_campo@...> wrote:Dear Dave, Tom, Karsten, Tim, Jake, Luis, Edy, Thom, Nate et al ---
Many many thanks for all of your posts.
Firstly, to the others who are offended because I brought up this
subject, I am very sorry I did not mean to preach to you, convert you
or convince you into my beliefs. No person can do that. Again, I am
very sorry.
Secondly, to those who were eager to help me with such beautiful
material (eg top 10 misconceptions, Christian samurais) I am extremely
grateful. Thank you so much! I'm learning a lot from you guys. I will
check out the sites and the info you've given me and will hope to share
what I think of them in the near future.
Thirdly, I was able to get hold of a copy of the book "A Higher Honor" by
Robert Boardman. I've just read through the preface and it looks like a highly
enjoyable read! The author used to fight against the Japanese army until
he was sent back to the land of the rising sun in a different capacity and he
wrote about the honor and commtiment of the people who used to be his enemy
but whom he has now come to love.
Domo arigato!
Carmen
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Yeah,christians could learn a lot from Bushido.They could be braver.....Edy
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Hi Carmen.
If you're new to this subject (as I also am) I would sugest "The top 10
misconceptions of the samurai" -
http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/home.htm
That certainly cleared some things up, like the bushido code for
example. ;)
Luis
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Brave men and cowards alike, exist in all religions. Many samurai and followers of bushido
were christians, some of which died very bravely for their religion........
Dave Jackson
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Carmen et al-
If christians have lots to learn from Samurai, then I would suggest
they could learn it ALL from Christian Samurai. I would examine the
history of christianity in Kyushu and the lives of the Christian
Daimyo, sounds like a natural subject for your interests...
-t
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Hi Carmen,
please keep in mind that bushido was only what people made out of it. First
of all its a rather hollow shell and it depends on what you do with it.
Otherwise it�s just an ideal that some reached and some didn�t.
Remember also all the bad things that happened when certain people called on
the bushido > WWII is only one example...
Karsten Helmholz
Germany
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Hey.
I was thinking about this as I read some of the posts on this topic.
It seems that there are at least one or two very large similarities between
Christianity (which I am by no means an expert on) and Bushido (99.9999% of my
knowledge of which came from this list). Both call for unquestioned service to
a (L)ord and both have followers very willingly giving their lives for that
(L)ord if and when the need arises. It's just a matter of the direction.
Bushido, the lord is a human one. Christianity, a spiritual One. I do agree that
many (most?!) Christians could learn to be braver through studying Bushido,
though, myself included. That Christian samurai were willing to give their
lives for either (or both) of their (L)ords is testament to how devoted they were
to their religion and to their code, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Take care.
L8r.
Tim
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Hey Carmen,
Here are some prominant Christian Samurai that I know
of:
Otomo Sorin
Kuroda Yoshitaka
Arima Harunobu
Also check out the Shimabara Rebelion 1637-1638
Also though there may have been Christain Samurai,
Christianity was viewed as a potential threat(foreign
powers namely the Portuguese) by Toyotomi Hideyoshi
and the Tokugawa Shogunate. Their crack down on
christianity wasn't so much hatred toward christains
as much as eliminating a disruptive force. The
samurai(Oda Nobunaga) also cracked down on the Buddist
Ikko Sect for the same reasons.
Hope this helps.
Jake
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