Sekigahara

Konbanwa,

I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any complete guides to the
battle of Sekigahara. I want to learn everything from who did what to who
wore what kabuto. Any help would be much appreciated. I am interested in
anything, books, movies, anything. Any small bit of information will be
helpful and thank you for your time.

Compassion go with you,

~Sasaki Kojiro~

Zen has no secrets other than seriously thinking about life and death -
Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)

Try Sekigahara 1600 by Anthony J. Bryant, Osprey
Publishing. Excellent job!

(had to plug you, Tony)

Nate Ledbetter

--- JJ <DarkJJ@...> wrote:

> Konbanwa,
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any
> complete guides to the
> battle of Sekigahara. I want to learn everything
> from who did what to who
> wore what kabuto. Any help would be much
> appreciated. I am interested in
> anything, books, movies, anything. Any small bit of
> information will be
> helpful and thank you for your time.
>
> Compassion go with you,
>
> ~Sasaki Kojiro~
>
> Zen has no secrets other than seriously thinking
> about life and death -
> Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)
>
>
>

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As for books there are plenty if you can read Japanese. Gakken, the
publishers of the rekishi gunzo series, has come out witha new volume that
is a compliation of old screens depicting several sengoku battles. It has
full color fold reproductions as well as closeups. It numbers and identifies
all the major samurai. Besides Sekigahara it includes Kawanakajima,
Nagashino, Yamazaki, and Shimabara.

----- Original Message -----
From: JJ <DarkJJ@...>
To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara


> Konbanwa,
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any complete guides to
the
> battle of Sekigahara. I want to learn everything from who did what to who
> wore what kabuto. Any help would be much appreciated. I am interested in
> anything, books, movies, anything. Any small bit of information will be
> helpful and thank you for your time.
>
> Compassion go with you,
>
> ~Sasaki Kojiro~
>
> Zen has no secrets other than seriously thinking about life and death -
> Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)
>
>
>
>
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mabe the matsumaya kaze history series. it only mentions skerigaka(?) briefly, when kaze's master dies leading a suicidal charge and that's when kaze becomes a ronin.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikiko Letham
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:36 AM
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara

As for books there are plenty if you can read Japanese. Gakken, the
publishers of the rekishi gunzo series, has come out witha new volume that
is a compliation of old screens depicting several sengoku battles. It has
full color fold reproductions as well as closeups. It numbers and identifies
all the major samurai. Besides Sekigahara it includes Kawanakajima,
Nagashino, Yamazaki, and Shimabara.
----- Original Message -----
From: JJ <DarkJJ@...>
To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara


> Konbanwa,
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any complete guides to
the
> battle of Sekigahara. I want to learn everything from who did what to who
> wore what kabuto. Any help would be much appreciated. I am interested in
> anything, books, movies, anything. Any small bit of information will be
> helpful and thank you for your time.
>
> Compassion go with you,
>
> ~Sasaki Kojiro~
>
> Zen has no secrets other than seriously thinking about life and death -
> Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)
>
>
>
>
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hi,
I am a french guy interesting about history of japan. Badly enough i have to
order books in america for some specific points of history. I have ordered
lately a book by turnbull (and it was quite expensive i must say)...
I'm worrying about your comment. He is a fake specialist? he is a good
documentary writer? what's wrong?

thx

----- Original Message -----
From: "vicente gutierrez" <alexelmaya@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara


> mabe the matsumaya kaze history series. it only mentions
skerigaka(?) briefly, when kaze's master dies leading a suicidal charge and
that's when kaze becomes a ronin.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikiko Letham
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:36 AM
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara
>
> As for books there are plenty if you can read Japanese. Gakken, the
> publishers of the rekishi gunzo series, has come out witha new volume that
> is a compliation of old screens depicting several sengoku battles. It has
> full color fold reproductions as well as closeups. It numbers and
identifies
> all the major samurai. Besides Sekigahara it includes Kawanakajima,
> Nagashino, Yamazaki, and Shimabara.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JJ <DarkJJ@...>
> To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:27 PM
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara
>
>
> > Konbanwa,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any complete guides to
> the
> > battle of Sekigahara. I want to learn everything from who did what to
who
> > wore what kabuto. Any help would be much appreciated. I am interested in
> > anything, books, movies, anything. Any small bit of information will be
> > helpful and thank you for your time.
> >
> > Compassion go with you,
> >
> > ~Sasaki Kojiro~
> >
> > Zen has no secrets other than seriously thinking about life and death -
> > Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)
> >
> >
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Turnbull is notorious on the few forums I frequent for being
innacurate, and has gained the nickname "Buy My Books" Turnbull (take
a look at his website, and you'll see why). I found one email from
this forum that Kitsuno put together showing just one of
many 'innacuracies' Turnbull has:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/samuraihistory/message/665

It seems that since he is pretty much 'the only show in town', he
feels he can slack on the scholarship and get away with it (otherwise
he is just a poor researcher). and here is a post I found on another
Japanese samurai history forum in response to someone posting about
Turnbull having some new material in one of his books:

----------
"Turnbull has done 'Digging' and has 'new material'?!?!?!?!?!?
Has the temperature in Hades fallen that much?
Hmm... I guess Hiroshi, the gimp Japanese boy Turnbull keeps locked
in his basement, has been working overtime at those Rekishi Gunzo
translations.

"I'm sooo hungly, prease gibu me foodo Tahnbull-sama!"

"One more chapter, then you'll eat, Hiroshi. You've almost got me
enough information for another book! Heh, heh, heh."
----------

I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull cites them
in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses them, in
fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book, including the
errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the fact
that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography, which to me
is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research', Turnbull
hasn't corrected any of his errors.

Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship where if
someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar he would
be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his remains
would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer review' in
Japanese history scholarship in "the West".

--- In samuraihistory@y..., "brand" wrote:
> hi,
> I am a french guy interesting about history of japan. Badly enough
i have to
> order books in america for some specific points of history. I have
ordered
> lately a book by turnbull (and it was quite expensive i must
say)...
> I'm worrying about your comment. He is a fake specialist? he is a
good
> documentary writer? what's wrong?
>
> thx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vicente gutierrez"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara
>
>
> > mabe the matsumaya kaze history series. it only mentions
> skerigaka(?) briefly, when kaze's master dies leading a suicidal
charge and
> that's when kaze becomes a ronin.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mikiko Letham
> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:36 AM
> > To: samuraihistory@y...
> > Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara
> >
> > As for books there are plenty if you can read Japanese. Gakken,
the
> > publishers of the rekishi gunzo series, has come out witha new
volume that
> > is a compliation of old screens depicting several sengoku
battles. It has
> > full color fold reproductions as well as closeups. It numbers and
> identifies
> > all the major samurai. Besides Sekigahara it includes
Kawanakajima,
> > Nagashino, Yamazaki, and Shimabara.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: JJ
> > To: samuraihistory
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:27 PM
> > Subject: [samuraihistory] Sekigahara
> >
> >
> > > Konbanwa,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any complete
guides to
> > the
> > > battle of Sekigahara. I want to learn everything from who did
what to
> who
> > > wore what kabuto. Any help would be much appreciated. I am
interested in
> > > anything, books, movies, anything. Any small bit of information
will be
> > > helpful and thank you for your time.
> > >
> > > Compassion go with you,
> > >
> > > ~Sasaki Kojiro~
> > >
> > > Zen has no secrets other than seriously thinking about life and
death -
> > > Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull cites them
> in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses them, in
> fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book, including the
> errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the fact
> that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography, which to me
> is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research', Turnbull
> hasn't corrected any of his errors.
>
> Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship where if
> someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar he would
> be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his remains
> would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer review' in
> Japanese history scholarship in "the West".

Well, for what it is worth, he is not the only shoddy and inaccurate
historian out there these days. Stanley Ambrose and Michael Besailles
are two that have come under intense media scrutiny for plagiarism and
falsification/errors. And then there was the whole Fujimura scandal
here in Japan.

Later, MEH

You must mean Stephen Ambrose. To his credit, he is a far better
writer than Turnbull, and only has plaigarism issues, not scholarship
issues like our buddy Turbull. I can't argue with "Iganokami", he's
got a point...

--- In samuraihistory@y..., "Mark E. Hall" wrote:
>
>
> > I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull cites
them
> > in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses
them, in
> > fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book, including the
> > errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the
fact
> > that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography, which to
me
> > is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research',
Turnbull
> > hasn't corrected any of his errors.
> >
> > Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship
where if
> > someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar he
would
> > be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his remains
> > would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer review'
in
> > Japanese history scholarship in "the West".
>
> Well, for what it is worth, he is not the only shoddy and inaccurate
> historian out there these days. Stanley Ambrose and Michael
Besailles
> are two that have come under intense media scrutiny for plagiarism
and
> falsification/errors. And then there was the whole Fujimura scandal
> here in Japan.
>
> Later, MEH

...And what was the 'furjimura' issue?

--- In samuraihistory@y..., "Mark E. Hall" wrote:
>
>
> > I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull cites
them
> > in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses
them, in
> > fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book, including the
> > errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the
fact
> > that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography, which to
me
> > is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research',
Turnbull
> > hasn't corrected any of his errors.
> >
> > Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship
where if
> > someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar he
would
> > be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his remains
> > would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer review'
in
> > Japanese history scholarship in "the West".
>
> Well, for what it is worth, he is not the only shoddy and inaccurate
> historian out there these days. Stanley Ambrose and Michael
Besailles
> are two that have come under intense media scrutiny for plagiarism
and
> falsification/errors. And then there was the whole Fujimura scandal
> here in Japan.
>
> Later, MEH

Turnbull seems to be everybody's favorite punching bag. I agree with a lot
of what's been said. My own complaint about him is that most of his books
are essentially the same e.g a survey history of the samurai. To stand up
for him at least he writes about the samurai in a clear and interesting way.
Yes his books have some errors and sloppy research. However most of the
material seems accurate enough. I also have the rekishi gunzo series (about
40 of them), plus the Visual Nihon Rekishi series, Saigen Nihonshi, Sengoku
Hao, and the Sengoku Chronicle, all of these confirm most of what's in
Turnbulls books. Unfortunately most other 'scholars' in Japanese history are
more interested in 'fractal spatiality in the provincial rice fields of the
bakufu' and don't want to dirty their hands by writing something, heaven
forbid, for the average reader. If more did so and Turnbull had more
competition to deal with then perhaps his books would be better.

----- Original Message -----
From: kitsuno <cewest@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Turnbull (Was Sekigahara)


> ...And what was the 'furjimura' issue?
>
>
>
> --- In samuraihistory@y..., "Mark E. Hall" wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull cites
> them
> > > in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses
> them, in
> > > fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book, including the
> > > errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the
> fact
> > > that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography, which to
> me
> > > is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research',
> Turnbull
> > > hasn't corrected any of his errors.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship
> where if
> > > someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar he
> would
> > > be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his remains
> > > would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer review'
> in
> > > Japanese history scholarship in "the West".
> >
> > Well, for what it is worth, he is not the only shoddy and inaccurate
> > historian out there these days. Stanley Ambrose and Michael
> Besailles
> > are two that have come under intense media scrutiny for plagiarism
> and
> > falsification/errors. And then there was the whole Fujimura scandal
> > here in Japan.
> >
> > Later, MEH
>
>
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My one big complaint is that he seems to only draw from mostly all
English sources, the Rekishi Gunzo books only agree with what he puts
in his books because they agree with his English sources (except
where he has innacurate info). He doesn't appear to USE the Japanese
sources he so proudly cites, and if he does, it is always very
general info a third year student of Japanese could pull off of a map
or timeline in one of the books. No hard info.
Not to mention the fact that in 20 years he hasn't really added all
that much to his 'scholarship'.

I guess I would have absolutely no complaints at all if he didn't
claim to be a DOCTOR of Japanese history. That is my biggest
complaint with the guy. If someone has enough bravado to claim to be
a DOCTOR of Japanese history, then they sure as heck should be able
to back it up (can someone PLEASE TELL ME exactly WHAT his doctorate
is in??? or if he even has one at all?). I've seen shoddy work from
plenty of 'Martial Arts' related ""Samurai History"", but forgive
that because they are looking at history thru the seriously warped
lense of the martial arts world, where Samurai practiced Karate in
secret Dojos and had an official 'samurai code of honor' handbook
they 'lived by' during the Sengoku period, and Ninja kidnapped
children from villages and trained them in the secret arts of the
black ninja clan and sold thier services to the highest bidding
Daimyo blah blah blah.

Based on what you wrote, it appear that at worst Turnbull is a poor,
unskilled historian, and at best a slacker:
"...and don't want to dirty their hands by writing something, heaven
forbid, for the average reader. If more did so and Turnbull had
more competition to deal with then perhaps his books would be better."




--- In samuraihistory@y..., "Mikiko Letham"
wrote:

> Turnbull seems to be everybody's favorite punching bag. I agree

with a lot

> of what's been said. My own complaint about him is that most of his

books

> are essentially the same e.g a survey history of the samurai. To

stand up

> for him at least he writes about the samurai in a clear and

interesting way.

> Yes his books have some errors and sloppy research. However most of

the

> material seems accurate enough. I also have the rekishi gunzo

series (about

> 40 of them), plus the Visual Nihon Rekishi series, Saigen Nihonshi,

Sengoku

> Hao, and the Sengoku Chronicle, all of these confirm most of what's

in

> Turnbulls books. Unfortunately most other 'scholars' in Japanese

history are

> more interested in 'fractal spatiality in the provincial rice

fields of the

> bakufu' and don't want to dirty their hands by writing something,

heaven

> forbid, for the average reader. If more did so and Turnbull had

more

> competition to deal with then perhaps his books would be better.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kitsuno
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:43 AM
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Turnbull (Was Sekigahara)
>
>
> > ...And what was the 'furjimura' issue?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In samuraihistory@y..., "Mark E. Hall" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull

cites

> > them
> > > > in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses
> > them, in
> > > > fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book,

including the

> > > > errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the
> > fact
> > > > that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography,

which to

> > me
> > > > is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research',
> > Turnbull
> > > > hasn't corrected any of his errors.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship
> > where if
> > > > someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar

he

> > would
> > > > be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his

remains

> > > > would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer

review'

> > in
> > > > Japanese history scholarship in "the West".
> > >
> > > Well, for what it is worth, he is not the only shoddy and

inaccurate

> > > historian out there these days. Stanley Ambrose and Michael
> > Besailles
> > > are two that have come under intense media scrutiny for

plagiarism

> > and
> > > falsification/errors. And then there was the whole Fujimura

scandal

> > > here in Japan.
> > >
> > > Later, MEH
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >

> > ...And what was the 'furjimura' issue?
> >

Fujimura was the Japanese archaeologist who basically faked all the
Early and Middle Palaeolithic finds in this country over the past 20
some odd years. Since peer review hardly works in this country (Japan),
he was pretty much able to pull a fast one until MAINICHI SHIMBUN caught
him on film burying fake artifacts.

Admittedly, not Sengoku jidai, but....

Later, MEH

--- In samuraihistory@y..., "iganokami" wrote:

> Turnbull is notorious on the few forums I frequent for being
> innacurate, and has gained the nickname "Buy My Books" Turnbull

(take

> a look at his website, and you'll see why). I found one email from
> this forum that Kitsuno put together showing just one of
> many 'innacuracies' Turnbull has:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/samuraihistory/message/665
>
> It seems that since he is pretty much 'the only show in town', he
> feels he can slack on the scholarship and get away with it

(otherwise

> he is just a poor researcher). and here is a post I found on

another

> Japanese samurai history forum in response to someone posting about
> Turnbull having some new material in one of his books:
>
> ----------
> "Turnbull has done 'Digging' and has 'new material'?!?!?!?!?!?
> Has the temperature in Hades fallen that much?
> Hmm... I guess Hiroshi, the gimp Japanese boy Turnbull keeps locked
> in his basement, has been working overtime at those Rekishi Gunzo
> translations.
>
> "I'm sooo hungly, prease gibu me foodo Tahnbull-sama!"
>
> "One more chapter, then you'll eat, Hiroshi. You've almost got me
> enough information for another book! Heh, heh, heh."
> ----------
>
> I have a few Rekishi Gunzo books, and even though Turnbull cites

them

> in his books, I HIGHLY DOUBT he actually reads them, or uses them,

in

> fact, most of what he has comes from Papinot's book, including the
> errors (as stated by kitsuno at the above link - including the fact
> that Turnbull doesn't CITE the book in his bibliography, which to

me

> is outright plaigiarism) - and after 20 years of 'research',

Turnbull

> hasn't corrected any of his errors.
>
> Unfortunately, unlike the world of ancient Roman scholarship where

if

> someone like Turnbull tried to pass himself off as a scholar he

would

> be hung, then after his corpse is burned at the stake, his remains
> would fed to lions, there is apparently no similar 'peer review' in
> Japanese history scholarship in "the West".

LOL that is quite a funny writeup. I see your point.