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#10303 [2011-05-09 16:11:55]

The Battle of Nagashino and Its Context in the Military Revolution Part 2

by kitsuno

http://samuraiarchives.podbean.com/2011/05/09/ep02-the-battle-of-nagashino-and-its-context-in-the-military-revolution-p2/

In part two of our Nagashino podcast, we continue our discussion of the battle of Nagashino and the "Military Revolution" theory adopted by many Western historians including Delmer Brown and Geoffrey Parker. We also look at the primary and secondary sources for the battle of Nagashino, and look into the history of guns in Japan, and their importance in Japanese warfare of the time.

Mentioned in this podcast:

The Impact of Firearms on Japanese Warfare, 1543-98
By Delmer M. Brown, The Far Eastern Quarterly, Vol. 7, No. 3 (May, 1948), pp. 236-253 http://bit.ly/kJ3v7N

Guns and Government: A Comparative Study of Europe and Japan
By Stephen Morillo, Journal of World History, Vol. 6, No. 1 (Spring, 1995), pp. 75-106 http://bit.ly/kYF2Dp

The Military Revolution: Military Innovation and the Rise of the West, 1500-1800
By Geoffrey Parker, Cambridge University Press http://amzn.to/lmlBxU

Baxter, James C. and Joshua A. Fogel, ed. Paul Varley Oda Nobunaga, Guns, and Early Modern Warfare
Writing Histories In Japan. International Research Center for Japanese Studies Kyoto 2007 http://bit.ly/mLNUtu

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http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/samurai-archives-podcast/id430277324

http://samuraiarchives.podbean.com/

Enjoy!

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#10304 [2011-05-15 09:06:50]

About origin of bushido

by rodjuri

Grettings, mina san,
I'm working in an essay about bushido and I found myself in a problem, given that the raise of the bushido class is a progressive developmente through the Heian period reaching its mature form within the Kamakura period. Nevertheless formal and clear definitions about the way of the samurai, the seven principles and thing like that, are written in the Tokugawa period, several centuries after.Please, could you help me saying me if there is some code of samurai ways written in the kamakura period (or before), better if accepted and promoted by the bakufu, and what it says more or less? Thank you for your help.

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#10305 [2011-05-15 19:48:15]

Re: [samuraihistory] About origin of bushido

by tatsushu

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Rodrigo Juri <rodjuri@...> wrote:

> Grettings, mina san,
> I'm working in an essay about bushido and I found myself in a problem,
> given that the raise of the bushido class is a progressive developmente
> through the Heian period reaching its mature form within the Kamakura
> period. Nevertheless formal and clear definitions about the way of the
> samurai, the seven principles and thing like that, are written in the
> Tokugawa period, several centuries after.Please, could you help me saying me
> if there is some code of samurai ways written in the kamakura period (or
> before), better if accepted and promoted by the bakufu, and what it says
> more or less? Thank you for your help.
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> While there appears to be a reference to "bushido" before the Tokugawa
period, it seems to be very personal and individualized. There was
definitely a culture of honor, or "face" in Japanese culture. For example,
Emp. Godaigo's spy justified his absence from court by intentionally and
publically making a mistake in reading a particular character. That
humiliation gave him an excuse to retire from the court for about a year.
Other bits can be gleaned from various war tales.

We find evidence of people who dyed their hair black and perfumed it so that
when they died in battle their head would be presentable. Suicide (though
not necessarily harakiri) is a common enough theme--though it is a last
resort. Enduring pain and suffering with stoic fortitude are also common,
and look to the way Buddhist values--particularly of anti-materialism and
the concept of non-attachment--was idealized among this class.

Of course, people could find all sorts of reasons to get around such
strictures.

For direct evidence, you'll need to look to various house instructions
written by leaders to their followers and descendants.

Also look to Karl Friday and others.

What have you read, so far?

-Josh


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#10306 [2011-05-16 04:49:23]

Re: [samuraihistory] About origin of bushido

by rodjuri

Thank you for your help.I had read some general sources, like, "History of Japan" by John Withney Hall, "The Crysanthemum and the Sword" (Benedict), "Japanese Society" (Nakane), and stuff like this. Never before I was in the  topic of bushido, my main interests in japanese history being the Sengoku jidai (the history of the houses involved), and the first half of XX century (economics mainly).Thanks again.

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"And the light shineth in darkness,



and the darkness did not comprehend it"



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--- On Sun, 5/15/11, JL Badgley <tatsushu@...> wrote:

From: JL Badgley <tatsushu@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] About origin of bushido
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
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On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Rodrigo Juri <rodjuri@...> wrote:



> Grettings, mina san,

> I'm working in an essay about bushido and I found myself in a problem,

> given that the raise of the bushido class is a progressive developmente

> through the Heian period reaching its mature form within the Kamakura

> period. Nevertheless formal and clear definitions about the way of the

> samurai, the seven principles and thing like that, are written in the

> Tokugawa period, several centuries after.Please, could you help me saying me

> if there is some code of samurai ways written in the kamakura period (or

> before), better if accepted and promoted by the bakufu, and what it says

> more or less? Thank you for your help.

>

> While there appears to be a reference to "bushido" before the Tokugawa

period, it seems to be very personal and individualized. There was

definitely a culture of honor, or "face" in Japanese culture. For example,

Emp. Godaigo's spy justified his absence from court by intentionally and

publically making a mistake in reading a particular character. That

humiliation gave him an excuse to retire from the court for about a year.

Other bits can be gleaned from various war tales.



We find evidence of people who dyed their hair black and perfumed it so that

when they died in battle their head would be presentable. Suicide (though

not necessarily harakiri) is a common enough theme--though it is a last

resort. Enduring pain and suffering with stoic fortitude are also common,

and look to the way Buddhist values--particularly of anti-materialism and

the concept of non-attachment--was idealized among this class.



Of course, people could find all sorts of reasons to get around such

strictures.



For direct evidence, you'll need to look to various house instructions

written by leaders to their followers and descendants.



Also look to Karl Friday and others.



What have you read, so far?



-Josh



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#10307 [2011-05-16 17:57:33]

Re: About origin of bushido

by kitsuno

You might find this useful, I translated it a few months ago regarding Samurai and death in battle:

http://shogun-yashiki.blogspot.com/2010/11/samurai-and-death-in-battle-translation.html

Also, ironically in about 3-4 weeks we'll be doing a podcast on the myth of Bushido, I've already gathered quite a few interesting incidents of Samurai behaving badly.






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