Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yoko

A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the execution ground. You can see the story here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9

I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck at all in finding it.

Thanks.

A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were smiling.  How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a blindfold? 

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...> wrote:


From: owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...>
Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM


 



A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the execution ground. You can see the story here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9

I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck at all in finding it.

Thanks.











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after he was executed they took off the blind fold.

and lo and behold, it had smiling eyes.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Duane Solley wrote:
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> A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were smiling.  How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a blindfold? 
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> From: owenfinn16@...
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM
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> A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the execution ground. You can see the story here:
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> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9
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> I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck at all in finding it.
>
> Thanks.
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It was called the White Sands in the tobea area down near the harbor mouth, Down
by the rivier over one of the main Bridges, so that people could watch the
killings. and there is no marker,




________________________________
From: Duane Solley <desolley@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 4:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era
execution ground in Yokohama

 
A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement
that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were
smiling.  How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a
blindfold? 

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...> wrote:

From: owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...>
Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution
ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM

 

A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the
exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I
was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the
author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe
area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the
execution ground. You can see the story here:


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9


I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about
this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of
memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck
at all in finding it.


Thanks.

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Greetings --

Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the protocols required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era and / or a map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the public. I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been inside the palace grounds.)

Any help would be much appreciated!

--Richard Burns,
Gainesville, FL





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From: Gerard Gillespie <gjgillespie@...>
To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 2:22 am
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama




It was called the White Sands in the tobea area down near the harbor mouth, Down
by the rivier over one of the main Bridges, so that people could watch the
killings. and there is no marker,

________________________________
From: Duane Solley <desolley@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 4:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era
execution ground in Yokohama


A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement
that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were
smiling. How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a
blindfold?

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...> wrote:

From: owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...>
Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution
ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM



A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the
exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I
was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the
author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe
area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the
execution ground. You can see the story here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9


I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about
this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of
memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck
at all in finding it.

Thanks.

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On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Tanuki <Cearb@...> wrote:

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>
> Greetings --
>
> Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the protocols

required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era and / or a
map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the
buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the public.
I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been inside
the palace grounds.)

>
> Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> --Richard Burns,
> Gainesville, FL

I'd have to look at it again to see if it has exactly what you are looking
for, but it sounds like the kind of information that could be found in the
appendix to *A Tale of Flowering Fortunes* trans. by William H. and Helen
Craig McCullough (the actual text will probably help as well, but is less
searchable). The other one I would recommend is *World of the Shining
Prince* by Ivan Morris. As I recall, they both give some information on the
layout of the palace.

BTW, the modern palace really doesn't resemble the Heian palace. Too many
changes and the actual government offices are no longer present.

Have you done a Google search for the Heian palace, yet? Maps of the layout
are pretty common.

-Josh


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On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Tanuki wrote:

>
>
> Greetings --
>
> Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the protocols required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era and / or a map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the public. I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been inside the palace grounds.)
>
> Any help would be much appreciated!

Well, if you want big map material: http://www.cafepress.com/sengokudaimyo/922758

(Tooting my own horn there, but... hey. They were designed for classroom use.)


Tony

See some more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzugamori_execution_grounds
-dw

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, owenfinn16@... wrote:
>
> A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the execution ground. You can see the story here:
>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9
>
> I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck at all in finding it.
>
> Thanks.
>

Hi, Unfortunately my area of research is the Samurai Swords, its uses, its method of mearing and the traditions involved with Honour, Duty and Loyalty to a liege Lord. However if I come across anything to do with the White Sands I will comunicate them to You, My Best regards Graham

--- On Tue, 2/11/10, Gerard Gillespie <gjgillespie@...> wrote:


From: Gerard Gillespie <gjgillespie@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 2 November, 2010, 4:40


 



It was called the White Sands in the tobea area down near the harbor mouth, Down
by the rivier over one of the main Bridges, so that people could watch the
killings. and there is no marker,

________________________________
From: Duane Solley <desolley@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 4:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era
execution ground in Yokohama

 
A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement
that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were
smiling.  How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a
blindfold? 

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...> wrote:

From: owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...>
Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution
ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM

 

A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the
exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I
was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the
author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe
area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the
execution ground. You can see the story here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9


I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about
this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of
memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck
at all in finding it.

Thanks.

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Hi Tanuki, the only info I have come across is in the film"The last Samurai" maybe tou could get in touch with Warner Brothers to findout there source for the scenced within the Iperial Palace?  This may help I Hope so. regards Graham

--- On Sat, 6/11/10, Tanuki <Cearb@...> wrote:


From: Tanuki <Cearb@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info on imperial court protocols and Kyoto imperial palace layout
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 6 November, 2010, 20:47


 





Greetings --

Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the protocols required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era and / or a map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the public. I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been inside the palace grounds.)

Any help would be much appreciated!

--Richard Burns,
Gainesville, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Gillespie <gjgillespie@...>
To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 2:22 am
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama

It was called the White Sands in the tobea area down near the harbor mouth, Down
by the rivier over one of the main Bridges, so that people could watch the
killings. and there is no marker,

________________________________
From: Duane Solley <desolley@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 4:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era
execution ground in Yokohama

A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement
that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were
smiling. How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a
blindfold?

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...> wrote:

From: owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...>
Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution
ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM

A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the
exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I
was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the
author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe
area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the
execution ground. You can see the story here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9

I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about
this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of
memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck
at all in finding it.

Thanks.

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Hi Tanuki, I've just done a quick search and come up with wikepedia Imperial Palace Kyoto? Idon't know if it helps, its worth 5 minutes, Regards Gaham

--- On Sat, 6/11/10, Tanuki <Cearb@...> wrote:


From: Tanuki <Cearb@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info on imperial court protocols and Kyoto imperial palace layout
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 6 November, 2010, 20:47


 





Greetings --

Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the protocols required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era and / or a map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the public. I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been inside the palace grounds.)

Any help would be much appreciated!

--Richard Burns,
Gainesville, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Gillespie <gjgillespie@...>
To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 2:22 am
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama

It was called the White Sands in the tobea area down near the harbor mouth, Down
by the rivier over one of the main Bridges, so that people could watch the
killings. and there is no marker,

________________________________
From: Duane Solley <desolley@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 4:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era
execution ground in Yokohama

A very interesting article, and well written, but I am confused by the statement
that the prisoner was blindfolded, and then a little later, his eyes were
smiling. How is it possible to see such an expression on a face that has a
blindfold?

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...> wrote:

From: owenfinn16@... <owenfinn16@...>
Subject: [samuraihistory] Seeking info regarding site of Tokugawa era execution
ground in Yokohama
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:11 PM

A macabre question I know but - does anyone have any information regarding the
exact location of the old Tokugawa era execution ground in Yokohama? In a book I
was recently reading, "Young Japan: Yokohama and Yedo" by John R. Black, the
author writes about witnessing an execution sometime in the 1860`s in the Tobe
area of Yokohama. Also a journalist in Japan in 1880 wrote a story about the
execution ground. You can see the story here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B10FA3F551A7493C0A81782D85F448784F9

I have been living in Yokohama for 4 years and was quite surprised to hear about
this bleak part of Yokohama`s past. I figure there must be some kind of
memorial, shrine or, at least a sign marking the site - but, thus far, no luck
at all in finding it.

Thanks.

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Tony-- As a teacher who runs a Japanese culture club (the students' idea, btw) I appreciate the info you sent. My credit card appreciates it somewhat less so.



Josh -- Thanks for the suggestions! As for good maps online...my own Google searches turned up LOTS of info on Nijo-jo, but stunningly little of value on the palace.

Now, granted, I'm writing fiction, so I CAN make things up as needed, but verisimilitude is always a fine thing, and I'm aiming to have as much of it as possible...

Domo arigato!

--RMB


-----Original Message-----
From: JL Badgley <tatsushu@...>
To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info on imperial court protocols and Kyoto imperial palace layout

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Tanuki <Cearb@...> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings --
>
> Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the protocols
required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era and / or a
map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the
buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the public.
I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been inside
the palace grounds.)
>
> Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> --Richard Burns,
> Gainesville, FL

I'd have to look at it again to see if it has exactly what you are looking
for, but it sounds like the kind of information that could be found in the
appendix to *A Tale of Flowering Fortunes* trans. by William H. and Helen
Craig McCullough (the actual text will probably help as well, but is less
searchable). The other one I would recommend is *World of the Shining
Prince* by Ivan Morris. As I recall, they both give some information on the
layout of the palace.

BTW, the modern palace really doesn't resemble the Heian palace. Too many
changes and the actual government offices are no longer present.

Have you done a Google search for the Heian palace, yet? Maps of the layout
are pretty common.

-Josh

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I think you'll find you get better results searching in Japanese using
Yahoo-Japan as opposed to Google...
-t
Tom Helm
toryu@...
"Moriamur, et in media arma ruamus"
- Vergil

On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Tanuki wrote:

> Tony-- As a teacher who runs a Japanese culture club (the students'
> idea, btw) I appreciate the info you sent. My credit card
> appreciates it somewhat less so.
>
> Josh -- Thanks for the suggestions! As for good maps online...my own
> Google searches turned up LOTS of info on Nijo-jo, but stunningly
> little of value on the palace.
>
> Now, granted, I'm writing fiction, so I CAN make things up as
> needed, but verisimilitude is always a fine thing, and I'm aiming to
> have as much of it as possible...
>
> Domo arigato!
>
> --RMB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JL Badgley <tatsushu@...>
> To: samuraihistory <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Seeking info on imperial court
> protocols and Kyoto imperial palace layout
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Tanuki <Cearb@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Greetings --
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good resource on the
> protocols
> required of visitors to the imperial court during the Heian era
> and / or a
> map of the layout. (It is visible on Google Earth, but none of the
> buildings are labeled, and of course it is not commonly open to the
> public.
> I've been to Kyoto a half dozen times or more and have never been
> inside
> the palace grounds.)
> >
> > Any help would be much appreciated!
> >
> > --Richard Burns,
> > Gainesville, FL
>
> I'd have to look at it again to see if it has exactly what you are
> looking
> for, but it sounds like the kind of information that could be found
> in the
> appendix to *A Tale of Flowering Fortunes* trans. by William H. and
> Helen
> Craig McCullough (the actual text will probably help as well, but is
> less
> searchable). The other one I would recommend is *World of the Shining
> Prince* by Ivan Morris. As I recall, they both give some information
> on the
> layout of the palace.
>
> BTW, the modern palace really doesn't resemble the Heian palace. Too
> many
> changes and the actual government offices are no longer present.
>
> Have you done a Google search for the Heian palace, yet? Maps of the
> layout
> are pretty common.
>
> -Josh
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:31 AM, Tanuki wrote:

> Tony-- As a teacher who runs a Japanese culture club (the students' idea, btw) I appreciate the info you sent. My credit card appreciates it somewhat less so.
>

Glad to be of service. MWA HA HA!!!!....

Tony