Samurai Ancestral bloodlines

I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.

BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for another post.

Thanks!
Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
John

Mina-san, Konnichiwa!

Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of after battles, and by whom.

Any suggestions?

Arigato!

--Richard

p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)






-----Original Message-----
From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines




I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.

BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for another post.

Thanks!
Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
John







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I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.
 
Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...
 
"Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious." Something along those lines.
 
A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward! Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku! Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was considered "humane" ironically!
 
For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they also accept death as a part of that victory!
 
As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is also trained to bear the most extreme pain.
 
Hope this helps!
 
John

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...> wrote:


From: Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM


 




Mina-san, Konnichiwa!

Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of after battles, and by whom.

Any suggestions?

Arigato!

--Richard

p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines

I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.

BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for another post.

Thanks!
Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
John

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John--

Actually, the question was geared toward fiction writing -- hence the need for accurate detail.

The samurai philosophy is clear enough -- heaven knows, there are dozens of books about it. But as a practical matter, men wounded in battle had to be treated. Willingness to die notwithstanding, a dead samurai (or ashigaru) is worth less to his master than a living one. As I understand it, seppuku was reserved for hopeless situations, where the only other option was capture or abject failure (the death of one's daimyo, say).

I imagine that battlefield medicine was very catch-as-catch-can and based as much on Chinese medicine as was practical, but still, the more specifics I can get, the better off I'll be. Ditto info regarding disposal of the dead after mass-casualty events.

And lest anyone think I'm some sort of poseur, I will say that I am an Active member of the Horror Writers Association (that is, a member considered to have professional credentials) with a couple dozen published short stories to my name. Just so's ya know.

Again, any details or good sources would be most helpful!

Thanks!

Richard




-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN CASE <jdc6584@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine




I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.

Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...

"Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious." Something along those lines.

A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward! Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku! Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was considered "humane" ironically!

For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they also accept death as a part of that victory!

As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is also trained to bear the most extreme pain.

Hope this helps!

John

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...> wrote:

From: Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM



Mina-san, Konnichiwa!

Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of after battles, and by whom.

Any suggestions?

Arigato!

--Richard

p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines

I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.

BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for another post.

Thanks!
Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
John

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If you have access to Project MUSE or don’t mind shelling out some money for a print-out, this article will be of interest to you:

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/monumenta_nipponica/summary/v060/60.3goble.html


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Richard
 
As for medicine on the battlefield, the details of that are sketchy at best. Most wounds were deep cuts. Some were bullet wounds by the rifles provided by the Portuguese. Not much was written about that as far as I know. As for the dead bodies, they were burned to stop the spread of disease and as an act of respect for the fallen warriors. For those who were highly sought after, a reward for that certain Samurai's head was offered by the Diamyo of his enemy. It had to be a fresh kill. Decomposition made identifying the face difficult.

I have studied the history of the Samurai not only because it is fascinating but because I am from Samurai bloodlines. Specifically the Harubiyuna. Thier kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle. One pointing upwards, and one downwards. I find myself both lucky and honored to be the descendant of Samurai. It's truly something to be proud of. Not for anything I have done but to be linked to such a rich history as the Samurai. I am half American, half Japanese.
 
Good luck in your writing! I look forward to reading it! Hope I was of some help!
 
BR,
John

--- On Sun, 6/27/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...> wrote:


From: Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 5:22 PM


 




John--

Actually, the question was geared toward fiction writing -- hence the need for accurate detail.

The samurai philosophy is clear enough -- heaven knows, there are dozens of books about it. But as a practical matter, men wounded in battle had to be treated. Willingness to die notwithstanding, a dead samurai (or ashigaru) is worth less to his master than a living one. As I understand it, seppuku was reserved for hopeless situations, where the only other option was capture or abject failure (the death of one's daimyo, say).

I imagine that battlefield medicine was very catch-as-catch-can and based as much on Chinese medicine as was practical, but still, the more specifics I can get, the better off I'll be. Ditto info regarding disposal of the dead after mass-casualty events.

And lest anyone think I'm some sort of poseur, I will say that I am an Active member of the Horror Writers Association (that is, a member considered to have professional credentials) with a couple dozen published short stories to my name. Just so's ya know.

Again, any details or good sources would be most helpful!

Thanks!

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN CASE <jdc6584@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine

I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.

Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...

"Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious." Something along those lines.

A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward! Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku! Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was considered "humane" ironically!

For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they also accept death as a part of that victory!

As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is also trained to bear the most extreme pain.

Hope this helps!

John

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...> wrote:

From: Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM

Mina-san, Konnichiwa!

Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of after battles, and by whom.

Any suggestions?

Arigato!

--Richard

p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines

I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.

BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for another post.

Thanks!
Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
John

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As I recall there was some very interesting analysis of battlefield
statistics in "Hired Swords: The Rise of Private Warrior Power in Early
Japan" by Karl F. Friday. I don't remember if this included detail on
battlefield medicine or post-battle burial practices, but it did have one
very interesting revelation: the number one cause of battlefield fatalities
was ... not sword ... not arrow ... yes, you guessed it - thrown rocks!

Worth reading for anyone interested in the period.

-Craig


Craig Harris
Bridge of Dreams, LLC
Books from and about Asia
www.bridgeofdreams.com
Member, IOBA, Independent Online Booksellers Association
Member, MWABA, Midwest Antiquarian Booksellers Association

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:34 PM, JOHN CASE <jdc6584@...> wrote:

>
>
> Richard
>
> As for medicine on the battlefield, the details of that are sketchy at
> best. Most wounds were deep cuts. Some were bullet wounds by the rifles
> provided by the Portuguese. Not much was written about that as far as I
> know. As for the dead bodies, they were burned to stop the spread of disease
> and as an act of respect for the fallen warriors. For those who were highly
> sought after, a reward for that certain Samurai's head was offered by the
> Diamyo of his enemy. It had to be a fresh kill. Decomposition made
> identifying the face difficult.
>
> I have studied the history of the Samurai not only because it is
> fascinating but because I am from Samurai bloodlines. Specifically the
> Harubiyuna. Thier kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle. One pointing
> upwards, and one downwards. I find myself both lucky and honored to be the
> descendant of Samurai. It's truly something to be proud of. Not for anything
> I have done but to be linked to such a rich history as the Samurai. I am
> half American, half Japanese.
>
> Good luck in your writing! I look forward to reading it! Hope I was of some
> help!
>
> BR,
> John
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 5:22 PM
>
>
>
>
> John--
>
> Actually, the question was geared toward fiction writing -- hence the need
> for accurate detail.
>
> The samurai philosophy is clear enough -- heaven knows, there are dozens of
> books about it. But as a practical matter, men wounded in battle had to be
> treated. Willingness to die notwithstanding, a dead samurai (or ashigaru) is
> worth less to his master than a living one. As I understand it, seppuku was
> reserved for hopeless situations, where the only other option was capture or
> abject failure (the death of one's daimyo, say).
>
> I imagine that battlefield medicine was very catch-as-catch-can and based
> as much on Chinese medicine as was practical, but still, the more specifics
> I can get, the better off I'll be. Ditto info regarding disposal of the dead
> after mass-casualty events.
>
> And lest anyone think I'm some sort of poseur, I will say that I am an
> Active member of the Horror Writers Association (that is, a member
> considered to have professional credentials) with a couple dozen published
> short stories to my name. Just so's ya know.
>
> Again, any details or good sources would be most helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN CASE <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
>
> I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.
>
> Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...
>
> "Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely
> die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious."
> Something along those lines.
>
> A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his
> opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward!
> Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku!
> Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is
> lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off
> his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was
> considered "humane" ironically!
>
> For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier
> way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty
> and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they
> also accept death as a part of that victory!
>
> As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used
> salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is
> also trained to bear the most extreme pain.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> John
>
> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM
>
> Mina-san, Konnichiwa!
>
> Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular
> knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States
> period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of
> after battles, and by whom.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Arigato!
>
> --Richard
>
> p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football
> / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines
>
> I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones
> Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai
> bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai
> bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow
> feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can
> anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's
> maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.
>
> BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for
> another post.
>
> Thanks!
> Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
> John
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Craig -- Thanks for the suggestion. Great statistic!

--Richard






-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Harris <bridgeofdreams@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine




As I recall there was some very interesting analysis of battlefield
statistics in "Hired Swords: The Rise of Private Warrior Power in Early
Japan" by Karl F. Friday. I don't remember if this included detail on
battlefield medicine or post-battle burial practices, but it did have one
very interesting revelation: the number one cause of battlefield fatalities
was ... not sword ... not arrow ... yes, you guessed it - thrown rocks!

Worth reading for anyone interested in the period.

-Craig

Craig Harris
Bridge of Dreams, LLC
Books from and about Asia
www.bridgeofdreams.com
Member, IOBA, Independent Online Booksellers Association
Member, MWABA, Midwest Antiquarian Booksellers Association

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:34 PM, JOHN CASE <jdc6584@...> wrote:

>
>
> Richard
>
> As for medicine on the battlefield, the details of that are sketchy at
> best. Most wounds were deep cuts. Some were bullet wounds by the rifles
> provided by the Portuguese. Not much was written about that as far as I
> know. As for the dead bodies, they were burned to stop the spread of disease
> and as an act of respect for the fallen warriors. For those who were highly
> sought after, a reward for that certain Samurai's head was offered by the
> Diamyo of his enemy. It had to be a fresh kill. Decomposition made
> identifying the face difficult.
>
> I have studied the history of the Samurai not only because it is
> fascinating but because I am from Samurai bloodlines. Specifically the
> Harubiyuna. Thier kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle. One pointing
> upwards, and one downwards. I find myself both lucky and honored to be the
> descendant of Samurai. It's truly something to be proud of. Not for anything
> I have done but to be linked to such a rich history as the Samurai. I am
> half American, half Japanese.
>
> Good luck in your writing! I look forward to reading it! Hope I was of some
> help!
>
> BR,
> John
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 5:22 PM
>
>
>
>
> John--
>
> Actually, the question was geared toward fiction writing -- hence the need
> for accurate detail.
>
> The samurai philosophy is clear enough -- heaven knows, there are dozens of
> books about it. But as a practical matter, men wounded in battle had to be
> treated. Willingness to die notwithstanding, a dead samurai (or ashigaru) is
> worth less to his master than a living one. As I understand it, seppuku was
> reserved for hopeless situations, where the only other option was capture or
> abject failure (the death of one's daimyo, say).
>
> I imagine that battlefield medicine was very catch-as-catch-can and based
> as much on Chinese medicine as was practical, but still, the more specifics
> I can get, the better off I'll be. Ditto info regarding disposal of the dead
> after mass-casualty events.
>
> And lest anyone think I'm some sort of poseur, I will say that I am an
> Active member of the Horror Writers Association (that is, a member
> considered to have professional credentials) with a couple dozen published
> short stories to my name. Just so's ya know.
>
> Again, any details or good sources would be most helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN CASE <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
>
> I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.
>
> Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...
>
> "Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely
> die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious."
> Something along those lines.
>
> A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his
> opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward!
> Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku!
> Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is
> lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off
> his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was
> considered "humane" ironically!
>
> For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier
> way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty
> and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they
> also accept death as a part of that victory!
>
> As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used
> salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is
> also trained to bear the most extreme pain.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> John
>
> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@... <Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM
>
> Mina-san, Konnichiwa!
>
> Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular
> knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States
> period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of
> after battles, and by whom.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Arigato!
>
> --Richard
>
> p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football
> / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines
>
> I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones
> Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai
> bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai
> bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow
> feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can
> anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's
> maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.
>
> BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for
> another post.
>
> Thanks!
> Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
> John
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dear cerb: I to have been looking through my book on battle field medicne. I
suggest two opspry books
both from the warrior series .
Warrior No. 7 ISBN 1-84176-149-4
1 samurai 1550-1600 by Antony J Bryant and Angus McBride
 in plate G it shows a  physician and attendant treating a injured samurai
pulling an arrow from his eye scoket. a treatment for thicking the blood was to
eat hose dung.
 2. Warrior  no. 29
Ashigaru 1467-1649
Stephen Turnbull and Howard Gerrard
 In plate F 
 A Ph
ysician is treating a conmon soldier for snake bite a pouring gunpowder in the
wound a touching it off.
gerard



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From: "Cearb@..." <Cearb@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 11:54:33 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine

 

Craig -- Thanks for the suggestion. Great statistic!

--Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Harris <bridgeofdreams@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine

As I recall there was some very interesting analysis of battlefield
statistics in "Hired Swords: The Rise of Private Warrior Power in Early
Japan" by Karl F. Friday. I don't remember if this included detail on
battlefield medicine or post-battle burial practices, but it did have one
very interesting revelation: the number one cause of battlefield fatalities
was ... not sword ... not arrow ... yes, you guessed it - thrown rocks!

Worth reading for anyone interested in the period.

-Craig

Craig Harris
Bridge of Dreams, LLC
Books from and about Asia
www.bridgeofdreams.com
Member, IOBA, Independent Online Booksellers Association
Member, MWABA, Midwest Antiquarian Booksellers Association

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:34 PM, JOHN CASE <jdc6584@...> wrote:

>
>
> Richard
>
> As for medicine on the battlefield, the details of that are sketchy at
> best. Most wounds were deep cuts. Some were bullet wounds by the rifles
> provided by the Portuguese. Not much was written about that as far as I
> know. As for the dead bodies, they were burned to stop the spread of disease
> and as an act of respect for the fallen warriors. For those who were highly
> sought after, a reward for that certain Samurai's head was offered by the
> Diamyo of his enemy. It had to be a fresh kill. Decomposition made
> identifying the face difficult.
>
> I have studied the history of the Samurai not only because it is
> fascinating but because I am from Samurai bloodlines. Specifically the
> Harubiyuna. Thier kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle. One pointing
> upwards, and one downwards. I find myself both lucky and honored to be the
> descendant of Samurai. It's truly something to be proud of. Not for anything
> I have done but to be linked to such a rich history as the Samurai. I am
> half American, half Japanese.
>
> Good luck in your writing! I look forward to reading it! Hope I was of some
> help!
>
> BR,
> John
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Cearb@...
><Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 5:22 PM
>
>
>
>
> John--
>
> Actually, the question was geared toward fiction writing -- hence the need
> for accurate detail.
>
> The samurai philosophy is clear enough -- heaven knows, there are dozens of
> books about it. But as a practical matter, men wounded in battle had to be
> treated. Willingness to die notwithstanding, a dead samurai (or ashigaru) is
> worth less to his master than a living one. As I understand it, seppuku was
> reserved for hopeless situations, where the only other option was capture or
> abject failure (the death of one's daimyo, say).
>
> I imagine that battlefield medicine was very catch-as-catch-can and based
> as much on Chinese medicine as was practical, but still, the more specifics
> I can get, the better off I'll be. Ditto info regarding disposal of the dead
> after mass-casualty events.
>
> And lest anyone think I'm some sort of poseur, I will say that I am an
> Active member of the Horror Writers Association (that is, a member
> considered to have professional credentials) with a couple dozen published
> short stories to my name. Just so's ya know.
>
> Again, any details or good sources would be most helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN CASE <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
>
> I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.
>
> Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...
>
> "Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely
> die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious."
> Something along those lines.
>
> A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his
> opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward!
> Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku!
> Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is
> lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off
> his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was
> considered "humane" ironically!
>
> For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier
> way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty
> and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they
> also accept death as a part of that victory!
>
> As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used
> salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is
> also trained to bear the most extreme pain.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> John
>
> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@...
><Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM
>
> Mina-san, Konnichiwa!
>
> Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular
> knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States
> period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of
> after battles, and by whom.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Arigato!
>
> --Richard
>
> p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football
> / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines
>
> I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones
> Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai
> bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai
> bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow
> feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can
> anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's
> maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.
>
> BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for
> another post.
>
> Thanks!
> Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
> John
>
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Thanks, Gerard! I think I actually have those two in my collection...unfortunately at the moment they're in Florida and I'm in Colorado. I'll be sure to look them through when I get back.

Thanks to all for the suggestions -- don't be afraid to keep 'em coming!

--Richard






-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Gillespie <gjgillespie@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine




Dear cerb: I to have been looking through my book on battle field medicne. I
suggest two opspry books
both from the warrior series .
Warrior No. 7 ISBN 1-84176-149-4
1 samurai 1550-1600 by Antony J Bryant and Angus McBride
in plate G it shows a physician and attendant treating a injured samurai
pulling an arrow from his eye scoket. a treatment for thicking the blood was to
eat hose dung.
2. Warrior no. 29
Ashigaru 1467-1649
Stephen Turnbull and Howard Gerrard
In plate F
A Ph
ysician is treating a conmon soldier for snake bite a pouring gunpowder in the
wound a touching it off.
gerard

________________________________
From: "Cearb@..." <Cearb@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 11:54:33 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine



Craig -- Thanks for the suggestion. Great statistic!

--Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Harris <bridgeofdreams@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine

As I recall there was some very interesting analysis of battlefield
statistics in "Hired Swords: The Rise of Private Warrior Power in Early
Japan" by Karl F. Friday. I don't remember if this included detail on
battlefield medicine or post-battle burial practices, but it did have one
very interesting revelation: the number one cause of battlefield fatalities
was ... not sword ... not arrow ... yes, you guessed it - thrown rocks!

Worth reading for anyone interested in the period.

-Craig

Craig Harris
Bridge of Dreams, LLC
Books from and about Asia
www.bridgeofdreams.com
Member, IOBA, Independent Online Booksellers Association
Member, MWABA, Midwest Antiquarian Booksellers Association

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:34 PM, JOHN CASE <jdc6584@...> wrote:

>
>
> Richard
>
> As for medicine on the battlefield, the details of that are sketchy at
> best. Most wounds were deep cuts. Some were bullet wounds by the rifles
> provided by the Portuguese. Not much was written about that as far as I
> know. As for the dead bodies, they were burned to stop the spread of disease
> and as an act of respect for the fallen warriors. For those who were highly
> sought after, a reward for that certain Samurai's head was offered by the
> Diamyo of his enemy. It had to be a fresh kill. Decomposition made
> identifying the face difficult.
>
> I have studied the history of the Samurai not only because it is
> fascinating but because I am from Samurai bloodlines. Specifically the
> Harubiyuna. Thier kamon is two arrow feathers inside a circle. One pointing
> upwards, and one downwards. I find myself both lucky and honored to be the
> descendant of Samurai. It's truly something to be proud of. Not for anything
> I have done but to be linked to such a rich history as the Samurai. I am
> half American, half Japanese.
>
> Good luck in your writing! I look forward to reading it! Hope I was of some
> help!
>
> BR,
> John
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Cearb@...
><Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 5:22 PM
>
>
>
>
> John--
>
> Actually, the question was geared toward fiction writing -- hence the need
> for accurate detail.
>
> The samurai philosophy is clear enough -- heaven knows, there are dozens of
> books about it. But as a practical matter, men wounded in battle had to be
> treated. Willingness to die notwithstanding, a dead samurai (or ashigaru) is
> worth less to his master than a living one. As I understand it, seppuku was
> reserved for hopeless situations, where the only other option was capture or
> abject failure (the death of one's daimyo, say).
>
> I imagine that battlefield medicine was very catch-as-catch-can and based
> as much on Chinese medicine as was practical, but still, the more specifics
> I can get, the better off I'll be. Ditto info regarding disposal of the dead
> after mass-casualty events.
>
> And lest anyone think I'm some sort of poseur, I will say that I am an
> Active member of the Horror Writers Association (that is, a member
> considered to have professional credentials) with a couple dozen published
> short stories to my name. Just so's ya know.
>
> Again, any details or good sources would be most helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN CASE <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
>
> I suppose this is a question geared towards a video game.
>
> Any true admirers of the Samurai would know the saying...
>
> "Any Samurai who hopes to come out of a battle to survive it will surely
> die. A Samurai who knows that he may not survive it shall be victorious."
> Something along those lines.
>
> A true Samurai does not fear death but embraces it in the face of his
> opponent! For it is an honor to die in battle than to run like a coward!
> Those who have shamed his clan are expected to commit Harikiri or sepuku!
> Suicide by his own Tanto. To save his and his family's honor! If he is
> lucky, he will have a "Kaishaku". A close friend or family member to cut off
> his head with a Katana to end the painful death by disembowelment. It was
> considered "humane" ironically!
>
> For the Samurai, death is expected of him. Not failure, but death was thier
> way of life. They dont glorify death, but accept it as a part of thier duty
> and honor. Of course they expect to be victorious in battle always! But they
> also accept death as a part of that victory!
>
> As for medicine, if a Samurai was not mortally wounded, I heard they used
> salt to stop the bleeding. A very painful but effective method. A Samurai is
> also trained to bear the most extreme pain.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> John
>
> --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Cearb@...
><Cearb@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cearb@... <Cearb@... >
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Battlefield medicine
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:59 PM
>
> Mina-san, Konnichiwa!
>
> Wondering if anyone can recommend any good resources or has particular
> knowledge of battlefield medicine from around the early Warring States
> period. Also could use information regarding how bodies were disposed of
> after battles, and by whom.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Arigato!
>
> --Richard
>
> p.s. How about those Blue Samurai?! (That's the Japanese national football
> / soccer team for those who don't follow sports.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnnyBGood65 <jdc6584@... >
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:04 am
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai Ancestral bloodlines
>
> I am new here too. I am looking for information about searching about ones
> Samurai ancestral history. My mother has always told me I am from Samurai
> bloodlines. She passed away in 1999. My Aunt in Japan says my Samurai
> bloodlines go back to a clan called the Harubiyuna. Our Kamon is two arrow
> feathers inside a circle one pointing upward, one pointing downward. Can
> anyone helpe me with learning more about my Samurai bloodlines?? My mother's
> maiden name is Fukase. I am half Japanese, half American.
>
> BTW, my favorite samurai is Miyamoto Musashi. But that is a topic for
> another post.
>
> Thanks!
> Domo Arigato gozaimashita!
> John
>
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> was ... not sword ... not arrow ... yes, you guessed it - thrown rocks!<

I recall reference to a study regarding rocks used as projectiles. If "thrown" suggests hand-tossed rocks, how did they come to that conclusion and distinguish it from other sources, such as large bore weapons (including artillery) using rocks like canister?

Mainly because Japan didn't have large bore weapons or artillery in the period that Friday examined (and virtually none of either throughout the Sengoku).

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote:
>
>
> > was ... not sword ... not arrow ... yes, you guessed it - thrown rocks!<
>
> I recall reference to a study regarding rocks used as projectiles. If "thrown" suggests hand-tossed rocks, how did they come to that conclusion and distinguish it from other sources, such as large bore weapons (including artillery) using rocks like canister?
>