>Hm, I haven't gotten that far into The Last Samurai book yet. I wonder if it will have any more about this? I'll give a shout if it does. I've only started seriously looking into Saigo's history myself, so just about anything that doesn't involve the Shinsengumi is new to me.
> Subj: [SHQ] Saigo vs. Toshiyoshi (you guys may know this already)
> Date: 6/5/2004 3:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: "secretary" <secretarytocapt3@...>
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> ~Sorry~ if this is old info for you guys -or- if it gives away a
> fanfic in progress....
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> According to "The Satsuma Rebellion of 1877 From Kagoshima Through
> the Siege of Kumamoto Castle" by James H. Buck
> Monumenta Nipponica, Vol 28 no. 4 (Winter 1973) 427-446
>
> [my summary]...will appear in my Tokyo Metropolitan Police Dept.
> write up too...I'm just so happy that hours of research turned up
> something new for me atleast...
>
> The Imperial government attempted a secret ammunitions seizure from
> Kagoshima (officially under government but prior to the Restoration
> property of Satsuma clan)...the government was unsuccessful as 1,000
> Satsuma men drove off the gov's naval force.
> Saigo T. was unaware of this situation. When Saigo T. returned to
> Kagoshima, Nakahara Hisao was charged with plotting to assasinate
> Saigo T. Furthermore, Nakahara H. confessed to meeting with Kawaji
> Toshiyoshi, Chief Inspector of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Dept
> (and native of Satsuma). We don't know if Nakahara's words are to
> be trusted however at least 50 members of the Tokyo Police Dept who
> were natives of Satsuma returned to Kagoshima in 1876-1877 at the
> same time a high-ranking Tokyo official was sent to "adjust Tokyo's
> relations with Satsuma leadership." "Some even advocated immediate
> execution of the 'traitors' from the Tokyo Police Department."(page
> 430)
>
> Thus, it is quiet obvious that Kawaji had been monitoring his own
> Satsuma domain for some time and used Satsuma policemen as spies.
> The article also give some more info on how Satsuma remained
> rebellious against various policies,from the government they put in
> power, imposed.
>
>
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--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Warg3791@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/5/2004 3:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
secretarytocapt3@h... writes:
>
> >
> > Subj: [SHQ] Saigo vs. Toshiyoshi (you guys may know this already)
> > Date: 6/5/2004 3:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> > From: "secretary"
> > To: SHQ@yahoogroups.com
> > Reply-To: SHQ@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent from the Internet (Details)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Sorry~ if this is old info for you guys -or- if it gives away a
> > fanfic in progress....
> >
> > [I will also be posting this message at http://www.shinsengumimb.com
> > so when you see it in the history section just use the "mark forum
> > read" feature]
> >
> > According to "The Satsuma Rebellion of 1877 From Kagoshima Through
> > the Siege of Kumamoto Castle" by James H. Buck
> > Monumenta Nipponica, Vol 28 no. 4 (Winter 1973) 427-446
> >
> > [my summary]...will appear in my Tokyo Metropolitan Police Dept.
> > write up too...I'm just so happy that hours of research turned up
> > something new for me atleast...
> >
> > The Imperial government attempted a secret ammunitions seizure from
> > Kagoshima (officially under government but prior to the Restoration
> > property of Satsuma clan)...the government was unsuccessful as 1,000
> > Satsuma men drove off the gov's naval force.
> > Saigo T. was unaware of this situation. When Saigo T. returned to
> > Kagoshima, Nakahara Hisao was charged with plotting to assasinate
> > Saigo T. Furthermore, Nakahara H. confessed to meeting with Kawaji
> > Toshiyoshi, Chief Inspector of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Dept
> > (and native of Satsuma). We don't know if Nakahara's words are to
> > be trusted however at least 50 members of the Tokyo Police Dept who
> > were natives of Satsuma returned to Kagoshima in 1876-1877 at the
> > same time a high-ranking Tokyo official was sent to "adjust Tokyo's
> > relations with Satsuma leadership." "Some even advocated immediate
> > execution of the 'traitors' from the Tokyo Police Department."(page
> > 430)
> >
> > Thus, it is quiet obvious that Kawaji had been monitoring his own
> > Satsuma domain for some time and used Satsuma policemen as spies.
> > The article also give some more info on how Satsuma remained
> > rebellious against various policies,from the government they put in
> > power, imposed.
> >
> >
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> Hm, I haven't gotten that far into The Last Samurai book yet. I
wonder if it will have any more about this? I'll give a shout if it
does. I've only started seriously looking into Saigo's history myself,
so just about anything that doesn't involve the Shinsengumi is new to me.
>
> -MissBehavin
> From what I've read so far, it would be ridiculous if more recentAcutally, neither the very recent Mark Ravina book or the other Samurai book I have (which has a chapter about the SW War right after the chapter on Aizu) make much mention of them at all. I did see "police troops" mentioned once, so I tend to think they just lump them all together as "government forces" with no distinction of what part of the government they were working for. The main focus is Saigo and his rebels.
> books in English fail to mention the TMPD because they seemed to have
> done most of the fighting (I also have stats to prove this as well)
> and you would come across an entire police unit under siege
> at
> Kumamoto Castle.
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Warg3791@a... wrote:
> Acutally, neither the very recent Mark Ravina book or the other
Samurai book I have (which has a chapter about the SW War right
after the chapter on Aizu) make much mention of them at all. I did
see "police troops" mentioned once, so I tend to think they just
lump them all together as "government forces" with no distinction of
what part of the government they were working for. The main focus is
Saigo and his rebels.
>
> -MissBehavin
>Today's "Menu During a Seige" as we wait for other police troops toNo wonder Saitou looks so blah and worn out in that group photo! The
>show up... millet gruel
>vegetable gruel which looks like bird droppings
>horsemeat (lets hope one of our steeds get shot today)
>soup made from crushed horse bone
>yummy
>
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, BarbaraSheridanwrote:
>
>
> secretary wrote:
>
> >Today's "Menu During a Seige" as we wait for other police troops
to
> >show up... millet gruel
> >vegetable gruel which looks like bird droppings
> >horsemeat (lets hope one of our steeds get shot today)
> >soup made from crushed horse bone
> >yummy
> >
> >
> No wonder Saitou looks so blah and worn out in that group photo!
The
> poor man hadn't had a decent meal let alone a bowl of soba in far
too long!