Phil----Three tree Saburo Suzuki----red information party

Have you been to this site yet Phil...about Sekihoutai and more...
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Cosmos/4774/page015.html

[babelfish]
Being at the point where Miki returns to Edo, it receives the
inducement of enlistment from new 撰 group rattan hall flat help.
Genji first year, with the older brother enlistment to new selection
group. This time also the sibling as for the older brother who has
renamed as for shell child Taro and the younger brother Saburo Miki.
Ninth captain, inspection was served. The Satsuma feudal clan attaches
to the back, becomes the prohibited reverse side mausoleum defense
loyal retainer. After assassination of the older brother November 18th
while moving aside the body to the Satsuma feudal clan residence, we
would like to aim for Kondo's assassination, you want. On December 9th
the Kondo road is attacked with the Kyoto ink dyeing, but because it
is injured, it ends. It participated in Toba Fushimi war and the
raising/holding soldier it did afterwards as red information party
second captain. In new selection group vengeance you had run about,
but without being able to carry out it received the restoration, was
Meiji and became the policeman, Tsuruoka chief of police era threw the
private funds to hospital construction. After that rest of life you
sent with Ishioka of the hometown and 1919, lived to 83 years old.

No, I hadn't seen the site. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Okay, so tell me if you think I'm interpreting this correctly. (Great... I need a translator for a babelfish translation...)

>>After assassination of the older brother November 18th

while moving aside the body to the Satsuma feudal clan residence, we would like to aim for Kondo's assassination, you want.<<

Itou is killed and Suzuki retrieves his body and takes it to someone's house, probably the house where their party (political party, that is) was being headquartered since it's the clan residence. Suzuki wants to kill Kondou in vengeance (and begins planning?).

>>On December 9th the Kondo road is attacked with the Kyoto ink dyeing, but because it is injured, it ends.<<

What the heck is "Kyoto ink dyeing"?

Suzuki puts his plan into action and attacks Kondou, but is injured in the attempt, so he gives up on trying to kill him.

>>It participated in Toba Fushimi war and the

raising/holding soldier it did afterwards as red information party second captain. In new selection group vengeance you had run about, but without being able to carry out it received the restoration, was Meiji and became the policeman, Tsuruoka chief of police era threw the private funds to hospital construction.<<

Clear enough that he fought at Toba-Fushimi and then went to the Sekihoutai to become second patrol captain, and that when all was said and done, he became a policeman (oh, I just **LOVE** the fanfic possibilities there... I may drop all other stories in progress for a while to focus on what could happen with that scenario... poor Sanosuke!!) during the Meiji and donated money for hospital construction (was his family wealthy or was he just donating from his salary? I've never heard anything about what his and Itou's background was). To jump ahead a little in the quote, are they saying he became the Chief of Police for some place called Tsuruoka?

Ah, but that second sentence throws me completely. Well, actually, first of all --- uh, how did he survive the massacre of the Sekihoutai???? I wonder if it was just Sagara, as founder of the Sekihoutai, who was prosecuted and executed and Watsuki destroyed them all for literary effect. Argh... the need to *know* is going to kill me!! But this: "In new selection group vengeance you had run about, but without being able to carry out it received the restoration" --- any clues anyone?? Is restoration referring to finding a direction in life again (by finding a place in the police) OR are they saying that after failing in his attempt at vengeance against the Shinsengumi, he was reconciled to be able to accept possibly working with other former Shinsengumi members who had also become police (though I can't EVER see him being able to stomach Saitou, which may have been an interesting dilemma for Kawaji)? Or a combination of both concepts maybe?

And, yes, I know the time is referred to as Restoration, but I don't think that's what was meant here. Maybe it is referring to that ("received the restoration, was Meiji"), but even that doesn't help, especially regarding his stint in the Sekihoutai. Maybe it means that he was aimless after the assassination of his brother, found a cause by fighting at Toba-Fushimi and joining the Sekihoutai, then after the Sekihoutai debacle he was reconciled to the Meiji Restoration (i.e. they "forgave" him being Sekihoutai like they "forgave" former Shinsengumi and Aizu samurai and accepted them into the police force)?

>>After that rest of life you sent with Ishioka of the hometown and 1919, lived to 83 years old.<<

Okay, so he dies in 1919 at age 83 (wahoo!!! Now I know... he's older than Sagara, who was born in 1839). But what is "sent with Ishioka of the hometown"?

Masayoshi and Serizawa Kamo, could one of you **PLEASE** look at it and straighten some of this out? We have so little info on Suzuki... he deserves a little bit of TLC in the face of all the attention so many other captains get. :-D This humble Sekihoutai fan would love to know more, too.
phil (whose mind is now running like it's on speed! Gee, thanks, for yet ANOTHER story idea, Tiff!!)


Tiffany <tnamwong@...> wrote:
Have you been to this site yet Phil...about Sekihoutai and more...
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Cosmos/4774/page015.html


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--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, spiritus saitou

> >>After assassination of the older brother November 18th
> while moving aside the body to the Satsuma feudal clan residence, we

would like to aim for Kondo's assassination, you want.<<

>
> Itou is killed and Suzuki retrieves his body and takes it to

someone's house, probably the house where their party (political
party, that is) was being headquartered since it's the clan residence.
Suzuki wants to kill Kondou in vengeance (and begins planning?).

***ummmm he sides with Satsuma?!?

> >>On December 9th the Kondo road is attacked with the Kyoto ink

dyeing, but because it is injured, it ends.<<

>
> What the heck is "Kyoto ink dyeing"?
>
> Suzuki puts his plan into action and attacks Kondou, but is injured

in the attempt, so he gives up on trying to kill him.

***Kondo was shot in the shoulder. This is mentioned on Japanese
sites and seems to be standard info...I'm not sure about the part
about Okita protecting him. This was also shown in the Toshiro
Mifune's SHINSENGUMI!: Band of Assasins and mentioned in MIBUGISHIDEN

> >>It participated in Toba Fushimi war and the
> raising/holding soldier it did afterwards as red information party

second captain. In new selection group vengeance you had run about,
but without being able to carry out it received the restoration, was
Meiji and became the policeman, Tsuruoka chief of police era threw the
private funds to hospital construction.<<

>

Phil:(was his family wealthy or was he just donating from his salary?
I've never heard anything about what his and Itou's background was).

***yeah, talk about confusing...the reason why I don't think he became
Chief of Police is because on other sites about Saitou the webmasters
will always mention their direct superiors so like in Saitou's case
the Kawajii's babelfish name always comes up. But who knows...maybe
he changed his name to Tsuruoka?!? There is plenty of stuff on Itou
in Japanese but his bio is the most garbled so I never bothered to
post links.

>

Phil:"In new selection group vengeance you had run about, but without
being able to carry out it received the restoration" --- any clues
anyone?? Is restoration referring to finding a direction in life
again (by finding a place in the police) OR are they saying that after
failing in his attempt at vengeance against the Shinsengumi, he was
reconciled to be able to accept possibly working with other former
Shinsengumi members who had also become police (though I can't EVER
see him being able to stomach Saitou, which may have been an
interesting dilemma for Kawaji)? Or a combination of both concepts
maybe?

***no,no,no I think Suzuki tried to seek revenge but failed to do so
and had to accept THE restoration of the emperor and new polticial
order. I think the establishment of the modern police dept was quiete
extensive because we have info of which ward/region/dept Saitou was
assigned to...I'm sure everyone was scattered about although you never
know about those kenjutsu tournaments because in that bit of info
Saitou's opponent's dept was listed...fanfic possibility that one of
the 2 of Saitou's opponents was Suzuki under another name:)

>

Phil: Maybe it means that he was aimless after the assassination of
his brother, found a cause by fighting at Toba-Fushimi and joining the
Sekihoutai, then after the Sekihoutai debacle he was reconciled to the
Meiji Restoration (i.e. they "forgave" him being Sekihoutai like they
"forgave" former Shinsengumi and Aizu samurai and accepted them into
the police force)?

***That's why I think he changed his name...in the bigger picture in
terms of the Shinsengumi's activities Saitou was really involved and
he was kind of famous...while Suzuki's name doesn't turn up that much
so perhaps the police dept. didn't realize his background?

> >>After that rest of life you sent with Ishioka of the hometown and

1919, lived to 83 years old.<<

>
> Okay, so he dies in 1919 at age 83 (wahoo!!! Now I know... he's

older than Sagara, who was born in 1839). But what is "sent with
Ishioka of the hometown"?

***he retired there? Maybe his birthplace?

> Masayoshi and Serizawa Kamo

Okay...so you guys want some kind of contract right? :)

Serizawa, Tiffany/secretarytocapt3 will always patiently and
respectfully await for the day you tell us about Saitou in the Tenma
House affair business ^_^

Since someone asked for the translation... here it
goes a rough translation... sorry for the many typos
and mistakes, but I've been in a bit of hurry these
days, so sorry ^^;;;


http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Cosmos/4774/page015.html

When Miki returns to Edo, Toudou Heisuke from the
Shinsengumi invites him to join the Shinsengumi. In
the 1st year of the Genji Era, he joins the
Shinsengumi, along with his elder brother.

At this time, both change their names: the elder
brother names himself as Kashitarou and the younger
brother as Mikisaburou.

He was the Captain of the 9th Division and was also
involved in the Intelligence.

Having the fief of Satsuma as their supporter, he
becomes a Kinri Goryo Eji.

After the murder of his elder brother, on November
18th, he stays at the fief house of Satsuma, planning
the murder of Kondou.

On December 9th, he is one of the people who shoots
Kondou while Kondou was walking at Sumizome, in Kyoto,
but they manage only to wound Kondou, without killing
him.

After taking part in the War of Toba and Fushimi, he
became the Captain of the 2nd Division of the
Sekihoutai.

He tried many things to exact revenge upon the
Shinsengumi, but he found himself in the new era
without fulfilling his wishes.

He became a policeman in the Meiji Era, and when he
was an Officer at the Tsuruoka police, he spent all
his money to build a hospital (hospitals?)

After that, he spent the rest of his life in Ishioka,
his homeland, living till the 8th year of the Taisho
Era, dying at the age of 83.

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That's more or less what the fishy part says...


Serizawa Kamo






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Okay everyone bow before the great, all knowing, merciful Serizawa Kamo :)

You call that a rough translation? That was perfect :)

Tenma House Incident + Saitou pretty pleasssse? Whenever you have the
time.

Serizawa Kamo <serizawakamo@...> wrote:

>>Since someone asked for the translation... here it

goes a rough translation... sorry for the many typos
and mistakes, but I've been in a bit of hurry these
days, so sorry ^^;;;<<

Thank you *SO* much!!! If only we had a way of paying you & Masayoshi a salary just to sit back, drink tea and translate Japanese sites for us! :-D I shudder to think of all the things we'd have to be able to contemplate on.

>>also involved in the Intelligence.

Was Saitou also considered part of Intelligence? (Not asking you directly, SK, but anyone who knows.) I think I'm becoming hung up on this idea that maybe he & Suzuki associated with each other in Kyoto (it's the drinking thing, which I could still be misinterpreting from the babelfish translation) and could've been a reason why Saitou seems to have been accepted so readily within Itou's group. Not that they necessarily would've questioned *anyone's* decision to leave, even with Saitou's loyalty to Hijikata, since I get a sense that Itou left on somewhat "friendly?" terms with Kondou and there were plenty of defections, but it just still seems so strange no one suspected Saitou. And, of course, Saitou could've used any one of a number of excuses to explain why he would want to exit the Shinsengumi. But still...

>>He tried many things to exact revenge upon the

Shinsengumi, but he found himself in the new era
without fulfilling his wishes.<<

RK fanfic fodder if I ever saw it!!! ;-D Just when I thought SaiSa couldn't get any more "angstier" than it already is... I've already made the decision to make Suzuki part of my story "Yasou," but I haven't quite decided how yet. I'm also not sure I'm capable of doing justice to a confrontation between Saitou and Suzuki... so much potential emotional power even *without* considering Sano's friendship towards both men. Suzuki has so much more reason to hate Saitou and want his blood than Kenshin ever had.

SK (or anyone), if you have any more information on why Itou left, what his arguments with Kondou were, I'd love to know for scholarly and writerly reasons. With many thanks in advance.

>>That's more or less what the fishy part says...<<

the fishy part... Great line, SK!

SK or Masayoshi, sometime could you give us the rest of the story from that site, the info on him before he joined the Shinsengumi? So much reference to private schools, the family, and what sounds like his adoption into another family...


phil (time to start frying up some fish and making some kind of meal out of it)


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