SAITOU was the teacher!!!

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Hirotada Tokugawa" wrote:
> A friend of mine just showed me this site:
>
> http://www.alltrees.org/anime/escherspace/index.shtml
>
> I suppose that solves the mystery of the school....apparently Saitou
was the
> teacher, and I guess Tokio helped him out in some way on the side.
>
> --M.
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>I don't think he taught the students directly. I mean what would he
>teach? "Self-defense for young women of dating age"?
>
>

>
>
>
> Barbara Sheridan
>
> http://www.barbarasheridan.net

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Sheridan wrote:
> Tiffany wrote:

> Maybe: AHOU--101 How to Spot Them So You Don't Marry One and Cause
Your Wonderful Parents Eternal Grief?
))))LOL((((

> Actually I think I read some snippet somewhere eons ago about him
> teaching kendo at some point which I suppose would be akin to gym class?
> > Barbara Sheridan
> > http://www.barbarasheridan.net

>
>Not only did I read the info of how he was a kenjutsu teacher too,
>Barb, but that other members of the Shinsengumi also held similar
>"gym" type jobs. ---Strangely--- this detail doesn't turn up on
>3-hajime.com ofcourse the fish may be shielding it from me.
>
>
>

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Sheridan wrote:

> Oh no the fish shields nothing from you. It LIKES you. *grin*
>
> Apparently Nagakura also taught up at his prison in Hokkaido---Now
is it
> me or does it seem counter productive to give convicted felons heavy
> sticks and make the guards their instructors in the use of said sticks?
>
>
> --
> Barbara Sheridan
>
> http://www.barbarasheridan.net

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Sheridan wrote:

> Actually I think I read some snippet somewhere eons ago about him
> teaching kendo at some point which I suppose would be akin to gym class?

> I posted the question as to whether or not S.H. was a kenjutsu teacher
> in a formal setting at the 3-hajime messageboard (by the way 3-hajime
> has 2 messageboards...one devoted to fan-talk (they won't stop talking
> about Shinsengumi dolls) the other devoted to the historical S.H.)
>
> A member (not the webmaster) did reply (babblefish)
> "As for Saito one as for late year, became the teacher also you have
> heard. Will details probably be being referred to being this sight, how?"
> [translation?]
> I ~think~ she said that she has [also] heard this rumor but like me/us
> she isn't sure why this detail hasn't showed up on 3-hajime.com
>
> ***Tiffany/secretarytocapt3 speculating (what a surprise huh?)
> o.k. from past discussions we have "concluded" that S.H. very likely
> crosstrained in many lineages/sword styles although Mugai-ryu
> (kenjutsu) seems to be the most widely accepted (mentioned on many
> Japanese sites+Serizawa Kamo's Bio). To teach kenjutsu one must be
> able to cite one's lineage and preferably provide a certificate. Now
> the Shinsengumi, to me doesn't seem to be the most orthodox group so
> I'm sure when/if the groups data keeper/scribe asked "um Mr.Saito may
> I see your certificate" I'm sure historical Saito said "if you'll step
> outside I'll show my martial arts style" and that would be the end of
> the discussion.
> But after the revolution and all would it be a good idea for him to
> try to attach himself to let's say an educational institute and try to
> teach kenjutsu---these formal environments would definately ask to see
> credentials.
> And what bothers me is was he ever formally certified at all seeing
> how he was a ronin and all. I'm assuming certification takes time and
> perhaps he studied at some dojo as child/adolescent and may be a very
> talented studetn but never got certified. So ~if~ he did teach perhaps
> it was very informally on the side.
>
> side note = Yes he did live/work at the Yoshida dojo (after killing
> someone, a retainer to the shogun is a rumor) because of his father's
> connections.
>
> --- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Sheridan wrote:
>
> > Actually I think I read some snippet somewhere eons ago about him
> > teaching kendo at some point which I suppose would be
> akin to gym class?

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Warg3791@a... wrote:
But wouldn't he also have to prove he was certified to compete in the
kendo tournaments of the police?

*good point! I'm assuming that yes they would want to know where he
was coming from--from a martial arts P.O.V...the answer can be found
if the history of kendo itself is examined. Mainstream kendo books
-do- mention its early days in the Tokyo Metropolitan Police
Department & Army but no dates are given (some say 19XX was when the
gov. actually invited a couple of lineages to come up with a
curriculum)...if the tournaments utilized modern rules/regulations I'm
not sure if the school/lineage of the practitioner was important. I'm
repeating what I've heard over and over again on martial arts boards
(so I deeply apologize if I'm wrong) but distinctions are always made
between modern kendo (categorized as a sport with rules and scoring
system) and kenjutsu (its relative/ancestor). So perhaps the
tournaments and kendo in general within the police dept. may have
served as a unifying element it's kind of like saying "wherever you
guys are from you will now play by a new set of rules" at least as far
as the tournament is concerned. Like I said a closer examination of
the history of kendo itself is needed (sigh)

*even by the time he participated in his first tournament he was no
longer just a cop on the beat...but already an assistant inspector [1877]
the tournament takes place in [1882] at least 5 years after getting
the position...so I'm assuming somewhat respected in his dept. I
think out of courtesy they wouldn't try to pry into his background if
he already held a respectable position in the dept....I'm personally
surprised he didn't participate *more* or -not- at all

Warg3791 http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/5770/Saitou.htm
only has hirotaka suzuoki's voice work?...man I love his voice

Warg3791 However, they also state that he didn't join the police force
right away. They
list the year he became a policeman as 1877. But we know he joined
sooner than
that.

*yep, on the 3-hajime.com basic chronology 1877 is mentioned as the
first year connecting S.H. to the police [but] in other places of her
website such as the mystery of the 1st wife -1871- the webmaster
speculates this mystery woman may have had a hand in his affiliation
with the pol. dept. which pushes the policework timeline way back. To
me S.H. may have had alot of side jobs and travelled which prevents
nosy historians from finding a definate paper trail

-MissBehavin (Hands out Tylenol to everyone trying to track Saito-sama's
movements.)....I prefer sake thank you