--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
>
> ok so we are all in agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> Okita but there are issues regarding citation
>
> as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> something right?)...now this is an idea...
>
> why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> Okita fans out there
>
> again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> helpful to visitors of the site
>
> also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> create a sub-menu
>
> for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
>
> and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
>
> a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> updates/entries
>
> so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> facets of the history/culture
>
> specialize. divide and conquer!
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
>
> ok so we are all in agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> Okita but there are issues regarding citation
>
> as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> something right?)...now this is an idea...
>
> why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> Okita fans out there
>
> again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> helpful to visitors of the site
>
> also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> create a sub-menu
>
> for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
>
> and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
>
> a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> updates/entries
>
> so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> facets of the history/culture
>
> specialize. divide and conquer!
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
>
> ok so we are all in agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> Okita but there are issues regarding citation
>
> as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> something right?)...now this is an idea...
>
> why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> Okita fans out there
>
> again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> helpful to visitors of the site
>
> also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> create a sub-menu
>
> for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
>
> and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
>
> a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> updates/entries
>
> so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> facets of the history/culture
>
> specialize. divide and conquer!
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
>
> ok so we are all in agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> Okita but there are issues regarding citation
>
> as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> something right?)...now this is an idea...
>
> why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> Okita fans out there
>
> again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> helpful to visitors of the site
>
> also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> create a sub-menu
>
> for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
>
> and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
>
> a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> updates/entries
>
> so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> facets of the history/culture
>
> specialize. divide and conquer!
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
>
> ok so we are all in agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> Okita but there are issues regarding citation
>
> as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> something right?)...now this is an idea...
>
> why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> Okita fans out there
>
> again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> helpful to visitors of the site
>
> also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> create a sub-menu
>
> for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
>
> and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
>
> a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> updates/entries
>
> so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> facets of the history/culture
>
> specialize. divide and conquer!
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Bunny ^_^wrote:
>
> This would be something nice to do. To get to chat with others, and for a while I've
been thinking about reviving the chatroom created in mIRC from a couple of months ago.
If anyone still remembers, the chatroom is still on the same server (caelestia.net) with the
same channel name (#shinsengumihq). I myself am only available on Wednesdays &
Thursdays, but I would love to chat with all of you in order to get more information (as
was my original intention for the chatroom).
>
> Also, I was also intrested in getting the information about when and how the
Shensengumi began to divide themselves into units.
>
> -Bunneh
> ^_____________^
>
>
> secretarywrote: ok so we are all in
agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> Okita but there are issues regarding citation
>
> as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> something right?)...now this is an idea...
>
> why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> Okita fans out there
>
> again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> helpful to visitors of the site
>
> also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> create a sub-menu
>
> for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
>
> and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
>
> a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> updates/entries
>
> so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> facets of the history/culture
>
> specialize. divide and conquer!
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "nlf7"wrote:
>
> I've realized now that there are still quite a few mistakes...
>
> #1-#4 (please refer to my previous messages)
>
> #5 Okita did NOT become the captain of the first unit until 1865.
>
> #6 Keiou FOUR, during the Boshin War and after the Battle of
Toba-Fushimi, Okita went
> into a hospital in Edo. He THEN moved to a guesthouse with Okita
Rintarou, Okita Mitsu,
> and their children. When the shogunate forces (including the
Shinsengumi and the
> Shinchougumi) retreated to the Tohoku region, Okita remained in Edo
alone.
>
> #7 Keiou 4 did NOT become Meiji 1 until Oct 23 1868 (lunar calender
Sep 8), 3 months
> AFTER Okita's death. His date of death should NEVER be written as
"Meiji 1, May 30 (Lunar
> calendar)." It's either Jul 19, 1868 or Keiou 4, May 30 (lunar
calendar).
>
>
> ~Seven
>
> --- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
> >
> > ok so we are all in agreement that there is some conflicting info on
> > Okita but there are issues regarding citation
> >
> > as of today this page is now a mess ::ROFL!!::
> > http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
> >
> > I can't keep up with you intense researchers (I work on the timeline,
> > Saitou Hajime post 1868 because there is more info in English on the
> > Meiji Era, Takagi/Fujita Tokio and some Aizu folks) so I have a ~weak~
> > grasp of Okita (but I wrote that article on TB, that counts for
> > something right?)...now this is an idea...
> >
> > why don't all the Okita specialists form a team and revise Okita's
> > info page (^___^) get in a chatroom, or work on someone's blog and do
> > some revising etc...but really you don't have to be a specialist you
> > can be a fan who joins the group and asks questions, this will help
> > the main writers understand the "FAQ" of the hundreds of thousands of
> > Okita fans out there
> >
> > again it is totally important to cite details this would be very
> > helpful to visitors of the site
> >
> > also you may right some mini articles on Okita as well and I can
> > create a sub-menu
> >
> > for example I split the Saitou Hajime page into sections (by the way
> > I'm in the process of converting my word document essay into html to
> > enhance the info on the page) you can take a peak here:
> > http://www.shinsengumihq.com/saitouhajime.htm
> >
> > and when you are all done, just email the text, your names (real or
> > user names) to shinsengumihq(a)yahoo.com
> >
> > a similar approach was adopted with the gigantic still in progress
> > timeline where several people over a couple of months emailed
> > updates/entries
> >
> > so promise me that you will all think about it! It is really
> > impossible for one person to study ALL the Shinsengumi members or all
> > facets of the history/culture
> >
> > specialize. divide and conquer!
> >
>
> We love your enthusiasm and knowledge---ofcourse we understand wherePlease don't misunderstand me, I was only commenting on the Okita article (http://
> you are coming from when you say "see historical references" and so
> forth and I got your list of books. Many of us here who have written
> articles for the website, also use historical references extensively,
> please see this article as an example:
>
> The Afflicted Swordsman: Tuberculosis and Okita Soujiro
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/TBandOkita.htm
> see how if a quote or detail is taken from a book...the exact
> book/author and page number are noted OR the author is mentioned in
> the text.
> and about Okita's birthdayI was NOT talking about his birthday earlier today.
> have you seen his updated page?
> http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
> but imagine this:I've already given you a list of books. However, I haven't used quotes in regard of the
> (visitor to Okita page) "wow lots of cool info from nlf7---but which
> book did that detail come from?"
>
> we cannot tell people to just "believe us" just because we can post a
> website on the internet---we want to give people the tools to learn on
> their own
> I hope you can head up the Okita Team if you have the time andI'd rather "chat" on the Okita Soji discussion page at Wikipedia. I understand that some
> get in touch with other mailing list members and put your fabulous
> minds together.
> Please don't misunderstand me, I was only commenting on the Okitaarticle (http://
> www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm) I understand that you alsouse historical references, but please double check whether your own
> conflicting info. (I believe some mistakes to be human errorsor/and typos.)
> Also, make sure your "historical references" are actually in thehistory section and are not
> categorized as (historical) fiction. For example, many regard thetrilogy by Shimozawa Kan
> as "historical references" but in fact, his Shinsengumi books arecategorized as (historical)
> fiction.http://www.shinsengumihq.com/bibliography2.htm
> > and about Okita's birthday--------------------------------------
> > have you seen his updated page?
> > http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> I was NOT talking about his birthday earlier today.
> I've already given you a list of books. However, I haven't usedquotes in regard of the
> Shinsengumi.--------------------------------------
> fans of the Shinsengumi/Okita don't have access to SHQ nor want tojoin it. (To tell you
> the truth, it took me a while before I decided to join this group.)--------------------------------------
> In addition, I suggest that we merge the Okita Soji article atWikipedia and the Okita article
> at SHQ.--------------------------------------
> Nevertheless, the Wikipedia's linked to library networks soimproving articles at at
> Wikipedia is certainly more than worthwhile. (At least, that'swhat I tell myself when I feel
> like giving up.)--------------------------------------
> corrections and whenever there was any conflicting info, myversion would always end up
> on top (since my edits could be backed up with research andhistorical references.)
>secretarytocapt3Please (kindly) ask the other party to back up claims such as that Okita was born in
>believe me, we do double check (when possible), as I tried to
>explain already sometimes book "A" says something and book "B" says
>something
>***if there is a conflict or discrepencies between two authors then
>we put {BOTH} texts, and quotes side by side
>Are you confusing us with another site?No, I was using Shimozawa Kan's work as an example. I apologize if I didn't make that
>
>http://www.shinsengumihq.com/bibliography.htm
>contains historical texts and we have never listed Shimozawa Kan's
>work there
>THUS, when you are done revising and combining your wikipedia OkitaI understand, Thanks.
>information with what we have now..just email and I will get it
>uploaded ASAP
>My point is this: I can give you hundreds of books on the BakumatsuYes, I'm aware of that and I do use basic standards in my writing. Please try to understand,
>right now and say "those are my sources" however you have to
>*specifY* sources. You cannot say "I got my fact from one of those
>10 books". I'm not arguing with you or anything but that is just
>how things work (not at the SHQ) but now many websites are adopting
>basic standards to strengthen their fandom...as I mentioned before
>if you are in school--you should be aware that even basica 5
>paragraph essay requires you to do this
>secretarytocapt3Yes, I agree.
>I don't know what you are referring to...this is a public
>group...there are many Shinsengumi fandoms, some based on certain
>universes such as PMK, RK and so forth...we are very general
>Why would you think of giving up? Currently Wikipedia is notWhy? I'd rather spend the time on reading the Shinsengumi manga I've bought and more
>acceptable in terms of citation. The reason is that the internet is
>always in "flux". The reason why books dominate academia is because
>the text is "frozen".
>---your corrections are at the top because theyMy edits are at the top because they are the most recent; they are the most recent because
>are the most recent. Your edits are backed by books---but again
>your citation method is still too general.
>1) I already emailed you about edits made to this page:Yes. Thanks a lot! :)
>2) The authors of the page are at the TOP of the pageI've tried to link to that website countless times with no success. I'll try again now,
>"special thanks to Jia-xin Wu of http://>www.dreamfeather.net/
>I did not write the page---I thought that was clear >already that I just update pagesI know that. I was hoping your would forward my messages to the other author(s.)
>3) for the RECORD, Shinsengumihq.com did not >singlehandedly go in andSorry I didn't make it clear enough again. I was trying to explain how easily people, like the
>write those wikipedia articles---
>I'm confused when you constantly say that you had to >do this and thatLet me try this again. Please bear with me. I believe that the volunteers from SHQ and the
>on wikipedia because our volunteers are responsible >for what is on
>the website ONLY
>as I've stated before in earlier posts I only posted a discussionAgain, I apologize for not making things clear enough. I wasn't taking the matter with
>question to your KOndou page and I did cite my information regarding
>Tani Tateki---the detail in the Hillsborough book, and his Japanes source. On the
>board you proceeded to >SHOUT AND USE CAPS TO MAKE YOUR
>POINT LIKE THIS. You must take up the matter with Mr. Hillsborough AND
>the Japanese author of the book he used (not with me---I just read the
>information). Please keep that in mind.
>however we do link to certain Wikipedia articles (with >warnings) suchI'm aware of that. The Wikipedia articles do link to your website though,
>as the one on Teruhime and Aizu which we did >contribute facts
>It is possible we have members who add information >but individual actions should notreflect on our entire >group
>for the record we are one of SEVERAL Shinsengumi >sites out there...itLike I said, I could only leave messages in hope that they would be forwarded to the right
>is possible you may be addressing the wrong group >entirely...like I
>said this is an open community with hundreds of >members
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Seven"wrote:
I use online language tools to translate some of the text and
sometimes there are errors like this.
-------------------------------------
For people who would like to use online translators, we've listed
them here: http://www.shinsengumihq.com/links.htm
it is a good idea to locate information online with translators and
then seek someone who knows Japanese to double check the translation
I should know...fundoshi (underwear) translates as "lower headband"
(^_^)
-------------------------------------
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Seven"wrote:
> The Wikipedia doesn't use the MLA-like "(author, page #)" format
so I've only listed 2
> major references. (Other Shinsengumi/Okita books, of course,
contain a lot of the same
> info. Though, I don't think it's necessary to list all of them on
the article page at this
> point.)
>
> ~Seven
-------------------------------------
You only have to list the references which you actually used for
your article---however we are listing all the Okita books you
recommended for visitors to see
***Wikipedia ~does use MLA and other citation formats (it's up to
whatever is convenient for you)
Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources
Wikipedia seems to suggest strict citation rules however they don't
enforce them
-------------------------------------
The OKita page will be updated ASAP however I am working all day--so
I'll get to it when possible
[some other news]
Michael (from http://www.ninjadojo.com) has notified us that:
Dougill, John. Kyoto : a cultural history. Oxford ; New York :
Oxford University Press, 2006 ; ISBN: 0195301374 0195301382 (4 pages
of Shinsengumi material and Ikedaya description)
Dougill's tone is neutral.
he also wanted to add:
Steele, M William. Katsu Kaishu and the collapse of the Tokugawa
Bakufu HARVARD UNIVERSITY, 1976, 480 pages (discusses post Kyoto
Shinsengumi!) currently this dissertation is not available for
purchase or download. Prof. Steele also mentions Sagara Souzou in
his work too (and the apropriate fangirl has been
notified) ::cough:: http://www.geocities.com/sekisinhokoku/
-------------------------------------
Hirotada Tokugawa translated a segment of the Kinmon Incident
(involving the Shinsengumi) from the film "Byakkotai"
(scroll to the bottom)
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/byakkotai.htm
>it is a good idea to locate information online with translators and then seek someoneI agree. I seek help to double check the translation when I'm not sure about the
>who knows Japanese to double check the translation
>however we are listing all the Okita books youYou only need to list the five books on Okita. I really don't think that you need to list all 20
>recommended for visitors to see
>Wikipedia seems to suggest strict citation rules however they don'tYes, Wikipedia uses the so-called "wikifying" format. I decided to keep the style used in a
>enforce them
>A few notes4. This is only a suggestion, I think it's more appropriate to refer him as "Okita Souji
>
>1. Okita was born in the Shirakawa-han's mansion in Edo (present day Tokyo.)
>
>2. His birth name (in full) was Okita Soujirou Fujiwara no Harumasa. He later >changed
>his name to "Okita Souji Fujiwara no Kaneyoshi." Other than his full >name, he could be
>referred as Okita Souji, Okita Souji Kaneyoshi, or Fujiwara no Kaneyoshi. In the case of
>his birth name, he could be referred as Okita Soujirou, Fujiwara no Harumasa, or Okita
>Soujirou Harumasa (never Okita Harumasa Soujirou!)
>Family Name: Okita
>Given Name/First Name Equivalent: Soujirou, Souji
>Family Clan Name:Fujiwara
>Formal Given Name/Middle Name Equivalent: Harumasa, Kaneyoshi
>
>3. Okita was enrolled at the Tennen Rishin-ryu school between 1850 and 1852, Kondou
>Isami was enrolled in 1848. Kondou Isami was like a "TA" to Okita and didn't become the
>forth master until 1861, the same year Okita mastered all the techniques of Tennen
>Rishin-ryu.
>
>4. Okita was actually Hijikata's "senpei" and was enrolled at the Tennen Rishin-ryu school
>before Hijikata. (Hijikata was formally enrolled in 1859.)
>
>5. Okita was sent to a hospital in Edo during the Boshin War(1868-1869) and after the
>first battle (Battle of Toba-Fushimi) of Boshin War. It was not a tuberculosis hospital and
>an injured Kondo was sent to the same hospital with Okita.
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"wrote:
>
> test run http://www.shinsengumihq.com/OkitaSoujiro.htm
>
> again nlf7 can gather more Okita fans to improve upon the page
>
> a proper disclaimer has been inserted at the top of the page
>
> also if there is an error please give the page address so I know what
> to revise...for example just say "Background" "Shinsengumi Period" and
> so forth so I can save some time
>
> over time as more information is gathered and contributed many
> Shinsengumi member's pages will change to this format
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>You've said that he was listed as "the 2nd son of Okita Rintaro Genji"-- as cited on Mori,?????????: Okita Rintaro Fujiwara no Mototsune
>p. 10. I don't doubt the possibility of another Okita Rintaro-- and in this case, the name
>that you're reading as "Genji" is probably "Motoharu", which, with one character being
>the same as "Mototsune", would indeed suggest a common family background with
>Rintaro Mototsune. However, I can find no mention of an "Okita Rintaro Genji" in this
>text, so I was hoping that you could possibly point to a website where this name is
>mentioned.
>Also, I can find no mention of "Okita Rintaro Genji" when it comes toNo, this isn't a fact. It's a theory or a possible explanation why Okita's listed as the
>the adoption of Rintaro Mototsune. Rintaro Mototsune is listed in
>Shinchogumi records as "Son of the late Okita Katsujiro, retainer of
>Lord Abe Noto no Kami". (Kikuchi, p. 26)
> >the adoption of Rintaro Mototsune. Rintaro Mototsune is listed inI'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. The record of Okita
> >Shinchogumi records as "Son of the late Okita Katsujiro, retainer of
> >Lord Abe Noto no Kami". (Kikuchi, p. 26)
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Shimazu Masayoshi"wrote:
>
> Nlf7:
>
> My thanks for your prompt reply.
>
> Please see this page--
> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B2%96%E7%94%B0%E6%9E%97%E5%A4%AA%E9%83%8E
>
> The two men you refer to are one and the same.
>
> The name you posted at the top reads:
>
> "Okita Rintarou Fujiwara no Fusamasa"
>
> The lower one reads:
>
> "Okita Rintarou Mototsune"
>
> I'm afraid that "Mototsune" can't be read "Genji".
>
> According to the link I posted above (Japanese wikipedia), Okita
> Rintarou Mototsune, Mitsu's husband, was referred to as "Mototsune" at
> one point in his life, and "Fusamasa" at another point.
>
> > >the adoption of Rintaro Mototsune. Rintaro Mototsune is listed in
> > >Shinchogumi records as "Son of the late Okita Katsujiro, retainer of
> > >Lord Abe Noto no Kami". (Kikuchi, p. 26)
>
> I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. The record of Okita
> Rintaro as [adopted] son of Okita Katsujiro *is* a fact, recorded in a
> source related to the Shinchogumi, compiled *during* the Bakumatsu,
> which Kikuchi lists. It wasn't raised as part of explaining why Soji
> is listed as the "second son", it was merely confirming how Rintaro
> Mototsune/Fusamasa was listed in Shinchogumi records. Kikuchi
> theorizes later, but this much, with regards to Rintaro being
> Katsujiro's "son", is a fact which Kikuchi cites as coming from the
> record of "Shinchogumi Meisaishosocho", from 1865.
>
> As always, thank you for your interaction, and for bringing activity
> back into this group.
>
> -M.
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Shimazu Masayoshi"wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. The record of Okita
> Rintaro as [adopted] son of Okita Katsujiro *is* a fact, recorded in a
> source related to the Shinchogumi, compiled *during* the Bakumatsu,
> which Kikuchi lists. It wasn't raised as part of explaining why Soji
> is listed as the "second son", it was merely confirming how Rintaro
> Mototsune/Fusamasa was listed in Shinchogumi records. Kikuchi
> theorizes later, but this much, with regards to Rintaro being
> Katsujiro's "son", is a fact which Kikuchi cites as coming from the
> record of "Shinchogumi Meisaishosocho", from 1865.
>
> As always, thank you for your interaction, and for bringing activity
> back into this group.
>
> -M.
>
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Shimazu Masayoshi"wrote:
>
> Nlf7:
>
> My thanks for your prompt reply.
>
> Please see this page--
> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B2%96%E7%94%B0%E6%9E%97%E5%A4%AA%E9%83%8E
>
> The two men you refer to are one and the same.
>
> The name you posted at the top reads:
>
> "Okita Rintarou Fujiwara no Fusamasa"
>
> The lower one reads:
>
> "Okita Rintarou Mototsune"
>
> I'm afraid that "Mototsune" can't be read "Genji".
>
> According to the link I posted above (Japanese wikipedia), Okita
> Rintarou Mototsune, Mitsu's husband, was referred to as "Mototsune" at
> one point in his life, and "Fusamasa" at another point.
>
> > >the adoption of Rintaro Mototsune. Rintaro Mototsune is listed in
> > >Shinchogumi records as "Son of the late Okita Katsujiro, retainer of
> > >Lord Abe Noto no Kami". (Kikuchi, p. 26)
>
> I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. The record of Okita
> Rintaro as [adopted] son of Okita Katsujiro *is* a fact, recorded in a
> source related to the Shinchogumi, compiled *during* the Bakumatsu,
> which Kikuchi lists. It wasn't raised as part of explaining why Soji
> is listed as the "second son", it was merely confirming how Rintaro
> Mototsune/Fusamasa was listed in Shinchogumi records. Kikuchi
> theorizes later, but this much, with regards to Rintaro being
> Katsujiro's "son", is a fact which Kikuchi cites as coming from the
> record of "Shinchogumi Meisaishosocho", from 1865.
>
> As always, thank you for your interaction, and for bringing activity
> back into this group.
>
> -M.
>