Im new to this group.need info!!!!

Hey everybody. I've been really interested in the shinsengumi
ever since I caught a brief episode of peacemaker kurogane. However, I
realize that probably a large portion of the show is made up for tv
watchers but I was hoping that somebody could give me some information
on them. Most sites I have been to only repeat the same thing over and
over. There are a few members im really interested in(no offense to
others):
1.Shinpachi Nagakura

2.Hajime Saito

3.Soji Okita

4.Sanosuke Harada

5.Isami Kondo

6.Toshizo Hijikata

7.Their spies
Any info that somebody could email me or post would greatly be
appreciated. I'm still ignorant when it comes to alot of this but
hopefully with this site I can learn more about the history of the
shinsengumi.Thank you

Hello

Please visit our FAQ on how to get started and how to do your own research
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/searchsitegoogle.htm

we also provided ways for you to do your own research in Japanese by
using this page
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/ShinsengumiNames.htm

we have listed recommended free online translators and the best
Japanese sites here
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/links.htm

tips on library research
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/shinsenresearch.htm

it is possible to simply post machine translations on our site however
we don't want to post errors or misinterpretations so we have relied
on human volunteers and English language texts this is why we have not
post biographies on all captains

all "facts" are here
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/facts.htm

please come here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ/
hit "messages"
there will be a "search" option and type in keywords like "Okita" to
read old messages on this list

we often discuss rumors/theories or any other interesting tidbits on
this list---we try not to post rumors and theories on the main website
because it would really confuse visitors

We are part of fandom but assume a professional tone with the sincere
hope that the Shinsengumi will be taken "seriously" as a historical
topic but many of us do other fun things too!---that's why you'll see
alot of "nerd work" on the site (^_^) many of us don't know Japanese
so we had to expand our approach considerably

I am also available for http://www.shinsengumihq.com "walk throughs"
via AOL Instant Messengers my id is "badgerturtle"

dlackey9999 <dlackey9999@...> wrote:
Hey everybody. I've been really interested in the shinsengumi ever since I caught a brief episode of peacemaker kurogane. However, I realize that probably a large portion of the show is made up for tv watchers but I was hoping that somebody could give me some information
on them. Most sites I have been to only repeat the same thing over and over.


Well... as sad as this might sound, everything else that you've probably read about the Shinsengumi is just about everything that is known about them (Kondou, Okita, Hijikata, ect.) Theres very little info about them, which I guess makes them so fascinating. I myself have been looking up info about Nagakura but can't can't anything new from whats already been mentioned all across the net. You can read some of the previous enteries for this mailing list, they're very helpful to understanding the times the Shinsengumi lived through.

-Bunneh





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There IS alot of info! Just not in English. Now when will one of us
become a millionaire? (^_^) and translate Nagakura's more dry and
historically accurate text, Shimada Kai's work, Nakajima NObori's
record and the newly discovered record book by Yamazaki Susumu and we
in fact end up with a decent foundation.

It also has ALOT to do with how each person is viewed in fandom for
example:

Historical Saitou is immensely popular and he has a couple sites all
to himself by devoted fans (he also crossed over into Aizu fandom
ofcourse)

Kondou has no Japanese fansite as far as I know (T_T)

Nagakura DOES have a fansite---I just need to find it again

Hijikata has his own COMMUNITY!!!.... (again please see
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/links.htm)
http://shougo.net/
http://www.hijikata-toshizo.jp/
http://groups.msn.com/shinsengumi00toshizo/
again be patient when you read Japanese sites with translators and
print out info (isolate a good paragraph) and if possible seek someone
who is willing to help you understand

OKita hasn't quiet been freed from his fictional self and most sites
on him are fanfic oriented

My own personal super strategy is somehow to use fandom to continue in
the pursuit of history.
I believe "if it isn't in manga/doujinshi---no one will care"
SO my idea is if there was a way to communicate to artists and writers
interesting historical angles for them to draw then maybe we will get
even more fascinating interpretations. Hopefully they will be like
NObuhiro WAtsuki and the author of Kaze Hikaru and mention their
research as well to attract more friend and encourage them to learn
more. Because the next fan who picks up a manga may in fact be the
future scholar who publishes a professional book on the Shinsengumi in
English...

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Bunny ^_^ wrote:

> Well... as sad as this might sound, everything else that you've
probably read about the Shinsengumi is just about everything that is
known about them (Kondou, Okita, Hijikata, ect.) Theres very little
info about them, which I guess makes them so fascinating.
>
> -Bunneh

Thanks for the help. lol even though im a lil bit disappointed right now. Appreciate how fast you got back to me.

dustin



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The closest we can get to understanding the Shinsengumi spy network is
through studying the complex and effective Edo-Era info highway:
skim this page to find info
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/NSNR.htm

Besides Yamazaki Susumu, Nakajima Nobori (not yet portrayed in pop-
culture was involved in Shinsengumi info-gathering)
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/Nakajimabio.htm

I can refer people to many scholarly/research type texts about the
MEIJI ERA Police spy network but for now I'd like to give everyone a
more colorful account of the modern Japanese cop in this scanned
article
http://1happyturtle.com/makoto/MeijiPolice.pdf

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "dlackey9999" wrote:
>
> Hey everybody. I've been really interested in the shinsengumi

> 7.Their spies
> Any info that somebody could email me or post would greatly
be
> appreciated. I'm still ignorant when it comes to alot of this but
> hopefully with this site I can learn more about the history of the
> shinsengumi.Thank you
>

Soo...I was checking the book "Shinsengumi Saitou Hajime no Subete" today,
and I turned up some details regarding the retreat from Kyoto. The bit below
is my combination of pages 96-97, as well as information I've previously
posted here about Kondou and Nagai Naoyuki.

Okay, so Tokugawa Yoshinobu resigns on the 9th of December, 1867. On the
evening of the 12th, Yoshinobu, Matsudaira Katamori, and Matsudaira Sadaaki
leave for Osaka. The Shinsengumi gets assigned to guard duty at Nijo
Castle-- and while there, gets the Mito domain annoyed. Thus, rather
conveniently-- Nagai Naoyuki gets ready to leave for Osaka, and takes the
Shinsengumi with him on the 14th. Shinsengumi sets up temporary headquarters
in Osaka at the Tenmangu Shrine, and on the 15th, is ordered to duty at the
Fushimi-bugyosho (Fushimi Magistrate's Headquarters), near Kyoto, in
Fushimi.

SO...to make a long story short-- Yoshimura Kanichiro (of "Mibugishiden"
fame) and Yamazaki Susumu go on ahead of the main force to set things up in
Fushimi, and the main body of Shinsengumi arrives on the 16th.

While Shinsengumi was there, Kondou continued to make business trips to Nijo
Castle. However, on the 18th, on his way back, he was attacked and shot by
the remnants of Ito Kashitaro's Goryoeji faction, under Abe Juurou. Thus,
Kondou was sent to Osaka and cared for by the Shogun's physician, Matsumoto
Ryojun (who later went to Aizu). As a result, Hijikata was the one who
commanded Shinsengumi at the Battle of Toba-Fushimi.

-M.

So the NHK drama got that pretty much dead on. They had Kano and
Shinohara of Itou's group shooting Kondou and didn't really show
Yamazaki going on ahead but I that's pretty much how things played out
in the TV version.

--
Barbara Sheridan
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