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#2608 [2005-11-08 17:53:05]

Okita TB, 19th Century Romanticism and more

by secretarytocapt3

I was reflecting on the comments at SHQ SPY DIVISION concerning
tuberculosis:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ_Spy_Division/message/678
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ_Spy_Division/message/679
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ_Spy_Division/message/683
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ_Spy_Division/message/684
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ_Spy_Division/message/686

someone mentioned that people knew way before the 20th century that TB
was contagious

this really was not the case in most of the population---simply
because there was a great deal of *conflict and CONFUSION in the
medical community over whether or not TB was part of a spectrum of
infections, or hereditary (women with TB were divorced immediately for
fear that their children would get TB not through the
sputum/phlegm/coughing---but by blood too)

only people with the money could afford isolated care in an ideal
environment

this book will also mention doctors, trying to study TB actually dying
of it because they were not sure how it was transmitted. I mentioned
in my post at the SHQ SPY DIVISION of scientists, husband and wife who
had TB, still caring for their own children (not out of necessity as
they had friends and relatives)

in 1882 Dr. Robert Koch discovered tubercle bacillus the aerobic
bacterium (Mycobacterium tuberculosis)---doctors around the world did
not believe him and there was a "delay" in adjusting their
methodologies and treatments---because it still made sense to many
that it was inherited (as of 1901 medical journals still printed
articles proving how it ran in the family). Koch's failed attempt of
developing a cure, tuberculin, also didn't help his cause.

So I skimmed
The Modern Epidemic: A history of tuberculosis in Japan
By William Johnston. 432 pp. Cambridge, Mass., Harvard University
Press, 1995. $45. ISBN 0-674-57912-7

[New England Journal of Medicine Review
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/334/11/739%5d

yeah you can't really buy this book at that price---so see if your
library has it (^_^)

Ok, let's get the Okita issues out of the way.
The superstitions and stigma associated with the symptoms/pollution
(blood) of tuberculosis have been mentioned on this list before---this
book will not only go into incredible detail it will also mention real
life examples (from the 20th century) illustrating how these people
were banished from society.

The book approaches the topic from a medical point of view and how
this illness is not confined to just the respiratory system --- but
can affect your spine, stomach, intestines etc. Members here who
study science and want to combine study w/ Shinsengumi interests will
really enjoy this book. It was a disfiguring disease associated with
bad karma--hence the secrecy of OKita's health was not simply for
reasons concerning group morale.

I cannot recall the exact Japanese website but there is talk that
Okita was a "clean child" or celibate or even a virgin (all of this is
JUST a rumor). During his lifetime it was believed that excessive
sexual activity will lead to TB---thus if he was rumored to be a clean
child it makes sense that it was part of the medical advice to abstain
from sex.

Okita's constant smiling. During his lifetime melancholia was
associated with TB---hence keep your spirits up and you will not catch it!

Okita as "feminine" --- the book does a stellar job of examining TB in
Meiji era literature (there was an entire GENRE devoted to it).
Usually the illness is associated with young frail, beautiful women.
Interestingly, many girls after their first menses WERE likely to get
TB, especially if they had a lower intake of protein (note many
Japanese had a vegetarian and fish diet that time). We know that
the Shinsengumi were the subject of folktales and even the novel
Nakazato Kaizan's DAIBOSATSU-TOGE [the film SWORD OF DOOM] (although
Okita was not feminine or childlike in this work) it is easy to see
how a doomed swordsman with TB all of sudden takes on female qualities
which would solidify him as a perpetually tragic figure in fiction.

the book will mention some familiar names:
[Matsumoto Ryojun] physician who accompanied shogunate troops as far
as Hakodate and later along with Nagakura and SAitou built a memorial

[Dr. Willis] (at Toba & Fushimi and Aizu during Boshin War,
Kumamoto/Kyushu until Seinan War, later laid the foundation of Siriraj
Medical School and Hospital in Bangkok)

[Dr. Baelz] German who was the personal physician to royality and
governmental VIPS --- his sticking to cellular *rather* than
bacteriology pathology in Tokyo University School of Medicine
inhibited alternate modes of approaching the illness (we now know
bacteriology was the right way to go)

***and for the one person out there who loves Dutch studies*** yes
Dutch medicine is discussed

To learn more about the romanticism connected to TB please read
http://www.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~mfukuda/english.html
novelist/doctor/bureaucrat MORI OGAI is mentioned on this page.
Mori Ogai, Higuchi Ichiyo and several of the most famoust writers of
the Meiji Era suffered from and died of TB. Note how Mori Ogai kept
his condition a secret.

The book also provides euphemisms doctors will use in diagnosing a
patient. Doctors who diagnose patients with TB were themselves
subject to negative public reaction!
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[Footnotes]
The biggest obstacle to medical education was the abhorrance of
dissection and association with uncleanliness see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edojidai/message/107
in the late 1890s-early 20th century the only women's medical academy
(born from the founder's desire to have women treat women infected
with sexually transmitted diseases) was ridiculed for unladylike
manners in dissecting cadavers...

Takamine Hideo spent alot of time studying protozoa under a
microcope---the discovery of tubercle bacillus would have been of
great interest to him as well since his own brother died of TB in 1883

The novel mentioned throughout the book HOTOTOGISU (bestseller later
translated into English as NAMIKO: A REALISTIC NOVEL)
was about Yamakawa Oyama Sutematsu
mentioned http://www.shinsengumihq.com/TakagiTokioinfo.htm
and
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/AizuBeyond1868.htm

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#2609 [2005-11-10 09:14:49]

About Nagakura Shinpachi

by shenlong71328

Well... I've been trying hard to look up for more
information about him but can't seem to find anything
other then what is mentioned in the SQH, in english.
I was specificly looking for when he married and to
whom. If any of you can provide me with this info,
I'll be very greatful ^_____________^

-Bunneh




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#2610 [2005-11-10 13:15:54]

Re: About Nagakura Shinpachi

by secretarytocapt3

I have a few suggestions

1) come to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ/, hit "messages" insert
"Nagakura" in the search bar to find all our past messages on him
-such as a leather bag he made
-the location of his home
-anecdotal stories etc

2) please visit http://www.shinsengumihq.com/ShinsengumiNames.htm
copy and paste his entire name into http://www.yahoo.co.jp you will
get many websites in Japanese
*the page was created specifically to help people surf Japanese sites
*you may paste "Nagakura" in the searches alongside other names such
as "Shimada Kai" to find information dealing with their relationship
or "Nagakura" and "Kondou Isami" to learn about the internal conflicts
"Nagakura" and "Fujita Goro" yields
http://blog.livedoor.jp/dism/archives/3896832.html which connects to
the Meiji novelist Natsume Soseki and Hijikata Toshizo for some weird
reason

3) to read the websites visit the online translators listed here:
http://www.shinsengumihq.com/links.htm

our http://www.shinsengumihq.com is based on volunteers translating
sites---currently such sites have multiplied like bunnies in
heat---furthermore blogs now have very interesting research, thus it
is impossible for us to keep up with fan research...fans are finding
interesting details all over the place (some blog pages also get
knocked offline too soon)

some sites in Japanese
http://www.bakusin.com/nagakura.html
http://fukdamari8fukidamari.fc2web.com/nagakura1.htm
http://www.fan.hi-ho.ne.jp/gary/nagakura.htm
http://www.toshizo.com/name/nagakura.html
Shimada Kai + Nagakura
http://www.tsukudo.jp/hito-nagakura.html

around 10 pages of links came up with a basic search in
http://www.yahoo.co.jp

***I'm sure info on his wife would be mentioned in the sites above,
his wife is also of interest to fans because he was [adopted into] her
family***

if you find something interesting please share (~_~)

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Bunny ^_^ wrote:
>
> Well... I've been trying hard to look up for more
> information about him but can't seem to find anything
> other then what is mentioned in the SQH, in english.
> I was specificly looking for when he married and to
> whom. If any of you can provide me with this info,
> I'll be very greatful ^_____________^
>
> -Bunneh
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
>

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#2611 [2005-11-10 13:26:06]

Re: About Nagakura Shinpachi (wife search)

by secretarytocapt3

Here is a better idea

set your browser to view Japanese fonts

character for WIFE 螯サ

insert that character next to 豌ク蛟画眠蜈ォ Nagakura SHinpachi

at http://www.yahoo.co.jp

so you will get only sites which has the info you want

[footnote: where did I get the character for wife? I remember that
the site http://www.1to5.net/saito/family/family.html has the word
"wife" in front of the name "Tokio"---you can also google "Kanji" and
type in the English word you want---it is all about cut and paste]

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary" wrote:
>
> I have a few suggestions
>
> 1) come to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHQ/, hit "messages" insert
> "Nagakura" in the search bar to find all our past messages on him
> -such as a leather bag he made
> -the location of his home
> -anecdotal stories etc

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#2617 [2005-11-15 18:34:13]

Re: Okita TB, 19th Century Romanticism and more

by secretarytocapt3

Below are some quotes which may be helpful in understanding "OKITA as
the TB PATIENT"

Sparer M.D., Phineas J. PERSONALITY STRESS AND TUBERCULOSIS
New York: International Universities Press, Inc 1956.

To add some balance to the information below I'd like to mention right
away that:
Dr. Lawrason Brown, a pioneer in TB treatment stated that "The
tuberculosis patient is described as anything between an insane
criminal and a saint too ethereal for this mundane sphere." (Calden,
Lews, Thurston 275)
--------------------------------
Calden PhD, Lewis M.D., Thurston PhD "The Patient Looks at
Tuberculosis" (275-299)
"The belief that there is a specific `tuberculous personality'
characterized by undue cheerfulness (spes Phthisica)…and marked
intellectual productivity has gained wide support." (Calden 275)

Due to the patient's dependence on others during their illness, the
researchers chose representative quotes from the 570 subjects they used.
One said "I feel like a baby again" (Calden 288)
--------------------------------
Wittkower M.D., Eric D. "Psychological Aspects" pages 153-174
Wittkower Associate Prof of Psychiatry McGill University, Montreal CA

Toxemia due to the Tubercle bacillus is also believed to cause
dramatic changes in emotions, however at the time of this publication
the results of those studies are inconclusive and possibly exaggerated.

[Reaction to Illness]
"Let us assume that the patients have passed beyond the unavoidable
breaking-in period and have settled down to being ill and to being ill
with tuberculosis. Afterwards a variety of mental changes may take
place which time and again have puzzled observers. It has been said
that tuberculous patients are predominantly sensitive, neurotic,
depressed, optimistic, elated, euphoric, easily suggestible,
whimsical, CHILDISH, selfish, self-centered, capricious…Most patients
with tuberculosis are in a mood of mild overt or concealed depression
and anxiety, which are normal and adequate reaction to indisious
diease…Offsprings of these reactions and defenses against them are
defiance, ULTRA-CHEERFULNESS." (Wittkower 164)

[the following applies to people who live in TB sanatoriums or have
other illnesses which require isolation—like cholera]
"infant-like egocentricism" is caused by
removal of stimuli from their environment
absence of responsibility
unrealistic long-term perspective (such as setting far off goals in life)

[Tuberculosis and Genius]
"Much has been written on the subject of tuberculosis and genius…[list
of geniuses]. The truth of the matter seems to be that tuberculosis
is a common disease, and therefore also occurs in men and women of
genius…tuberculosis for a variety of reasons favors fantasy
production…and the dreaded limitation of their span of life stimulates
their productivity." (Wittkower 155-6)
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Dunbar M.D. Med.Sc.D., Ph.D, Flanders. "Anxiety, Stress and
Respiratory Diseases Especially Tuberculosis" (208-232)

Part of a discussion how TB patients manipulate the people around them
"Tuberculous patients behave like deprived children." (Dunbar 226)

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