Questions relating to Yamanami and his death

I know he (Yamanami-san) was ordered to commit seppukku by Hijikata-
san for leaving the Shinsengumi; and the gist of why he left. But;

Who witnessed his death; and who was his suicide assistant(?)?

Did he really try to escape with his lover, or is this just a rumor?

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "jiaxin_nyo" wrote:

>
>
> I know he (Yamanami-san) was ordered to commit seppukku by Hijikata-
> san for leaving the Shinsengumi; and the gist of why he left. But;
>
> Who witnessed his death; and who was his suicide assistant(?)?
>
> Did he really try to escape with his lover, or is this just a rumor?

Actually, the whole story as it is generally told could well be a
lie. We know that Yamanami died, but it is not clear -why- he died.
This information was orginally posted by Momoiro-usagi on the SHQ mb
if I recall correctly...

The only source which mentions "Akesato" is the work of a researcher
named Shimozawa Kan. No one can find any data relating to her outside
of his papers.

It's the same situation with the "Five Dreaded Articles". The rules
that were made after the Ikeda-ya Affair are real enough, but there
is a lot of debate over whether the first five existed. I think it
has been mentioned before that if they did exist, they were not as
harshly enforced as legend would have us believe.

It is also not clear whether or not there was actually any bad blood
between Hijikata and Yamanami. And several different versions of his
death have been given:

-He was caught after he deserted because he wanted to die.
-He wanted his death to be a warning to Kondo.
-He was not happy about the Shinsengumi being subordinates of the
Shogun and abandoning the "original" purpose of Sonno-joi.
-That he was actually seriously wounded in a fight with an enemy.
-That he killed himself because he was suffering from some sort of
neurosis.

I believe that was the gist of what we were told? Anyone have any new
info about this?

-MissB

What makes it worse is that we know Yamanami is from Sendai but we don't
have any record of his family there, according to Tama. And also according
to Tama, Yamanami is an assumed name.

--M.

I do have a theory as to where that comes from, though. Given that his name
is Yamanami ("Mountain-south"), and that he's from Sendai, I would say that
it might mean that his family was from the mountains in the south of Sendai.
If there are any there.

--M.

I do have a theory as to where that comes from, though. Given that his name
is Yamanami ("Mountain-south"), and that he's from Sendai, I would say that
it might mean that his family was from the mountains in the south of Sendai.
If there are any there.

--M.

http://ichige.cocolog-nifty.com/dokimemo/yamanamisan.jpg

For your viewing....displeasure, a screenshot from the NHK series: Yamanami
and his seppuku kimono.

--M.

http://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/keitai/rakuten_subimage/r_img/7-687615image.jpg

For those of you who like that sort of thing.

-M.

http://www.hokkaido-jin.jp/issue/200407/sp_09.html

Pictures of:

-Nagakura's....jacket?

-His bokuto/bokken

-List of Shinsengumi names he remembered.

--M.

Ah, I bought those as cell phone straps!


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sounds like a good theory
http://www.city.sendai.jp/kankyou/toshisuishin/pamph-e/01/

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Hirotada Tokugawa" wrote:
> I do have a theory as to where that comes from, though. Given that
his name
> is Yamanami ("Mountain-south"), and that he's from Sendai, I would
say that
> it might mean that his family was from the mountains in the south of
Sendai.
> If there are any there.
>
> --M.

I take it the guy in the greenish-colored hakama is Saitou (since it appears he might be left-handed)?

phil

Hirotada Tokugawa <patriot014@...> wrote:
http://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/keitai/rakuten_subimage/r_img/7-687615image.jpg

For those of you who like that sort of thing.

-M.











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Oh, wait... maybe the figure isn't left-handed after all.
NeverMIND! I need to go back to bed... :-)

phil

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, spiritus saitou
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> I take it the guy in the greenish-colored hakama is Saitou (since

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> http://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/keitai/rakuten_subimage/r_img/7-

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In a message dated 3/11/2005 4:10:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spiritus_saitou@... writes:

I take it the guy in the greenish-colored hakama is Saitou (since it appears
he might be left-handed)?

phil
I think that one is actually Hijikata. I've seen an individual shot of it
that was labeled "Toshi". My suspicion is that the one on the far left is Saitou.
Or else the other one in the background that has that sort of haircut...

New game! ID the Shinsengumi phonestrap. LOL

-MissB


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http://www.ab.cyberhome.ne.jp/~genta/show/b1802.htm

Domo-kun banzai!!

-M.

Now that's GOTTA be Toshi! LOL! (pinching MissB)

phil (slapping hands from keyboard and blaming M ^_^ )

Hirotada Tokugawa <patriot014@...> wrote:
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-M.











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The second one from the left is Saitou, the one to the right of him is Okita,
and next to him is Hijikata. The one closest to you on the phone is Kondou,
and the other two are Nagakura and Serizawa, though I'm not sure which is
which.


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I bought the plush of that on Jlist.com a few months ago.... I think they're
out of the plushes, but they do have random things like note pads and
folders...


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http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~bata-m/fanart/shinsengumi.html

These are good. But THESE....

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~mit-yu/sonota/bangumi04.html (near bottom of
page)

Those scare me.

--M.

http://abetomo.cocolog-nifty.com/hibi/towa.jpg

--M.

At 06:05 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote:

><http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~bata-m/fanart/shinsengumi.html>http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~bata-m/fanart/shinsengumi.html
>
>These are good. But THESE....
>
><http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~mit-yu/sonota/bangumi04.html>http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~mit-yu/sonota/bangumi04.html (near bottom of
>page)
>
>Those scare me.
>
>--M.

I do have a preference for the first as it's probably more aesthetically pleasing, but in both sets it's pretty clear which character is which (without the need to read translated captions)-- > which is really the idea I think behind a good caricature.

I'm extremely amused by how Itou is the only one that looks somewhat normal in that second set and how Joe Odagiri's Saitou bears a passing likeness to Michael Jackson.

*ducks knives*
S
PS: To make this comment somewhat useful, don't forget to ask your local comic book store about preordering the new Viz shoujo anthology which will include "Kaze no Hikaru" starting this summer.



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