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#2123 [2005-01-30 05:50:50]

Shiba Goro - Fujita Goro connection through Yamakawa Sec?

by warg3791

Forgot until I glanced at the SHQ website that Yamakawa Hiroshi, one
of the go-betweens for Fujita Goro's marriage to Takagi Tokio, and
Yamakawa Okura were one and the same. Remembering Aizu talkes about
him mostly under the name Okura. Shiba Goro knew him as well, after
he left Shimokita and went to Tokyo. He stayed with Yamakawa a couple
of times when he had no where else to go, despite the fact that the
former domain elder was jobless and broke. Yamakawa and his mother
ended up borrowing 13 yen and 50 sen from Shiba in fact. You reminded
me of his Fujita connection, but not that he was in Remembering Aizu
the other day.

And why didn't you remind me about that little scandal he was
involved in back in Shimokita? Where he was buying up all the dregs
from the tofu dealer and the samurai confronted him about it? HM? LOL

Book specifically mentions his younger brother Kenjiro and Tokio's
cousin, Takamine Hideo, on pg 133. Didn't realize that. Was the part
about them being survivors of the Byakkotai.

Now how I missed -this- I don't know...
Sagawa "Ogre" Kanbei fought in Kyoshu as the head of a plice unit
made up of 150 former Aizu samurai. (Knew that) To the end he refused
to use a modern weapon and was shot and killed at Mount Aso. ?!?! How
did I NOT see that before?! I'm guessing this was in 1878 Sec?

And does anyone know if Hirosawa Tomijiro (liaison for Aizu with the
Shinsengumi) and Hirosawa Yasuto (who had the first western-style
dairy farm) were one and the same? I recall seeing information from a
website that M translated for us that said Tomijiro was the owner of
this place. But Remembering Aizu mentions his first name is Yasuto?
Did he change his name or was the website mistaken?

-MissB

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#2124 [2005-01-30 07:34:00]

Re: Shiba Goro - Fujita Goro connection through Yamakawa Sec?

by secretarytocapt3

There are connections EVERYWHERE....I thought people were following
along. I did mention Shiba Goro on the updated Saitou Hajime
info-sheet. What I will try to follow up it the Saga REbellion in
which Yamakawa Ookura/Taizo/Hiroshi acquitted himself very well and
was promoted in the army...Yamakawa Hiroshi later was chief of staff
in Seinan as you recall. Thanks for summarizing everything
below....these Aizu folks sure stuck together.Don't forget how
Yamakawa Hiroshi wanted to investigate the can clamming business too.


Yamakawa Hiroshi, puts arm around Fujita Goro's shoulder "Hey Goro,
let's say you and me go into the can clamming business---we'll make a
fortune!!!"

Goro "ummm I'll stick with the police work thank you"

And about the clairvoyance testing...I'm STILL pretty peeved at
Yamakawa Kenjiro about 1) messing up the experiment by forgetting to
insert the plate and 2) saying that no mistake occurred in an article
published at a later date...no doubt he was fascinated with the
research (otherwise he wouldn't risk his reputation by involving
himself with Dr. Fukuzawa) but clearly he was too busy covering up his
own error.

I highly recommend people read both Shiba Goro's REMEMBERING AIZU and
the biography of Yamakawa Sutematsu....completes the "picture"
perfectly and both books are EXTREMELY affordable...I got the
Sutematsu book for under $5.000 the information is INCREDIBLE!!!!!

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "warg3791" wrote:
>
> Forgot until I glanced at the SHQ website that Yamakawa Hiroshi, one
> of the go-betweens for Fujita Goro's marriage to Takagi Tokio, and
> Yamakawa Okura were one and the same. Remembering Aizu talkes about
> him mostly under the name Okura. Shiba Goro knew him as well, after
> he left Shimokita and went to Tokyo. He stayed with Yamakawa a couple
> of times when he had no where else to go, despite the fact that the
> former domain elder was jobless and broke. Yamakawa and his mother
> ended up borrowing 13 yen and 50 sen from Shiba in fact. You reminded
> me of his Fujita connection, but not that he was in Remembering Aizu
> the other day.
>
> And why didn't you remind me about that little scandal he was
> involved in back in Shimokita? Where he was buying up all the dregs
> from the tofu dealer and the samurai confronted him about it? HM? LOL
>
> Book specifically mentions his younger brother Kenjiro and Tokio's
> cousin, Takamine Hideo, on pg 133. Didn't realize that. Was the part
> about them being survivors of the Byakkotai.
>
> Now how I missed -this- I don't know...
> Sagawa "Ogre" Kanbei fought in Kyoshu as the head of a plice unit
> made up of 150 former Aizu samurai. (Knew that) To the end he refused
> to use a modern weapon and was shot and killed at Mount Aso. ?!?! How
> did I NOT see that before?! I'm guessing this was in 1878 Sec?
>
> And does anyone know if Hirosawa Tomijiro (liaison for Aizu with the
> Shinsengumi) and Hirosawa Yasuto (who had the first western-style
> dairy farm) were one and the same? I recall seeing information from a
> website that M translated for us that said Tomijiro was the owner of
> this place. But Remembering Aizu mentions his first name is Yasuto?
> Did he change his name or was the website mistaken?
>
> -MissB

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#2125 [2005-01-30 10:07:53]

Re: Shiba Goro - Fujita Goro connection through Yamakawa Sec?

by secretarytocapt3

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "warg3791" wrote:
Now how I missed -this- I don't know...
Sagawa "Ogre" Kanbei fought in Kyoshu as the head of a plice unit
made up of 150 former Aizu samurai. (Knew that) To the end he refused
to use a modern weapon and was shot and killed at Mount Aso. ?!?! How
did I NOT see that before?! I'm guessing this was in 1878 Sec?

**** [MAYBE] not 1878...Seinan War "officially" started in 1877 (but
hostilities began in 1876)

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#2127 [2005-01-30 10:19:17]

Re: [SHQ] Re: Shiba Goro - Fujita Goro connection through Yamakawa Sec?

by warg3791

Hm... Where did I see that he "died" in 1878? I thought that was in some of
our information. But that mountain in in Kyoshu... Odd.

-MissB


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#2128 [2005-01-30 10:22:34]

RE: [SHQ] Re: Shiba Goro - Fujita Goro connection through Yamakawa Sec?

by shimazuryu

>**** [MAYBE] not 1878...Seinan War "officially" started in 1877 (but
>hostilities began in 1876)

The samurai of Kyushu were...shall we say....*revolting* (in more ways than
one...lol) for the better part of that decade.

--M.

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#2129 [2005-01-30 10:30:39]

Re: [SHQ] Re: Shiba Goro - Fujita Goro connection through Yamakawa Sec?

by warg3791

In a message dated 1/30/2005 1:25:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Warg3791@... writes:
Hm... Where did I see that he "died" in 1878? I thought that was in some of
our information. But that mountain in in Kyoshu... Odd.
Ha! I know where I saw that now! It was from the Saito website. The one that
you have some translations of in the files? It says under Kanbei he "achieved
a heroic death in 1878."

-MissB


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#2130 [2005-01-30 11:10:51]

Rokumeikan (paintings of interior)

by secretarytocapt3

ROKUMEIKAN THREAD
http://p076.ezboard.com/fshinsengumiheadquartersfrm21.showMessage?
topicID=7.topic

from Barr, P. THE DEER CRY PAVILION. Macmillan, London, 1967.
[click to enlarge pics]
http://1happyturtle.com/makoto/roku1.jpg
http://1happyturtle.com/makoto/roku2.jpg
-----------------------------------------------------------
and just for fun...yet 1 of DOZENS of paintings showing Meiji Era
police harassing--I mean showing "paternal concern" for citizens
(^_^)

patrolman "young man, for the last time stop running across the
tracks"

Boy "yessir"

[see top picture]
http://1happyturtle.com/modernpolice/police.jpg

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#2135 [2005-01-31 23:08:39]

[SHQ] Asagi Iro no Kaze

by lilsuika

This appears to be a series of novels. If I've read
the kanji right, the title is "Asagi Iro no Kaze":

http://cobalt.shueisha.co.jp/osusume/asagi/index.html

The character image map from left to right: Kondou,
Yamanami, Iba, Harada (the shirtless one), Hijikata
(w/ the sword), and Okita.

Based on the covers, it seems to focus mainly on Okita
and Hijikata. Shounen-ai/yaoi perhaps?


-Suika
Shining Wind: A Kaze Hikaru fansite
http://www.polarhome.com:723/~suika

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