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#1908 [2004-12-10 13:10:38]

Swords

by secretarytocapt3

http://8614.teacup.com/hijikata/bbs
there was a post about swords on auction (FOR OVERSEAS COLLECTORS),
Aizu, and the Shinsengumi and the name "IZUMI" <<< perhaps the
swordsmith and the name Nagamichi

furthermore what is interesting is that the poster talks about the
surprisingly low price of this weapon and the possibility of bidding
and that at the time the Shinsengumi were mere villains nobody knew
about it (which leads to the low price)

If anyone can give us a better translation please let us know

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#1909 [2004-12-10 14:00:05]

Re: [SHQ] Swords

by okitasoji

The name at the top post is "Izuminokami Kanesada" which was the maker of Hijikata's blade. From what my translator picked up, the poster was able to visit someone who owned a Kanesada blade made by the 11th Kanesada.

As for the overseas auctions/sales, there are currently two Kanesada blades for sale here in the U.S.

Aizu Kanesada wakizashi:
http://www.artswords.com/aizukanesada.htm

Izuminokami Kanesada daito:
http://www.artswords.com/aizukanesada.htm

The daito has appraisal papers, but they are not translated like the ones on the wakizashi.


~Okita

----- Original Message -----
From: secretary
To: SHQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:10 PM
Subject: [SHQ] Swords


http://8614.teacup.com/hijikata/bbs
there was a post about swords on auction (FOR OVERSEAS COLLECTORS),
Aizu, and the Shinsengumi and the name "IZUMI" <<< perhaps the
swordsmith and the name Nagamichi

furthermore what is interesting is that the poster talks about the
surprisingly low price of this weapon and the possibility of bidding
and that at the time the Shinsengumi were mere villains nobody knew
about it (which leads to the low price)

If anyone can give us a better translation please let us know

(please set browser to view Japanese fonts)
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#1910 [2004-12-10 14:13:42]

Re: [SHQ] Swords

by okitasoji

Correction to my precious post. The daito is at:
http://www.artswords.com/kanesada.htm

~Okita
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Mesina
To: SHQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SHQ] Swords


The name at the top post is "Izuminokami Kanesada" which was the maker of Hijikata's blade. From what my translator picked up, the poster was able to visit someone who owned a Kanesada blade made by the 11th Kanesada.

As for the overseas auctions/sales, there are currently two Kanesada blades for sale here in the U.S.

Aizu Kanesada wakizashi:
http://www.artswords.com/aizukanesada.htm

Izuminokami Kanesada daito:
http://www.artswords.com/aizukanesada.htm

The daito has appraisal papers, but they are not translated like the ones on the wakizashi.


~Okita

----- Original Message -----
From: secretary
To: SHQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:10 PM
Subject: [SHQ] Swords


http://8614.teacup.com/hijikata/bbs
there was a post about swords on auction (FOR OVERSEAS COLLECTORS),
Aizu, and the Shinsengumi and the name "IZUMI" <<< perhaps the
swordsmith and the name Nagamichi

furthermore what is interesting is that the poster talks about the
surprisingly low price of this weapon and the possibility of bidding
and that at the time the Shinsengumi were mere villains nobody knew
about it (which leads to the low price)

If anyone can give us a better translation please let us know

(please set browser to view Japanese fonts)
u˜a泉Ž�Œ"'èv@"ŠeŽメ:‹v•ト•"正親@"�–��V @"Še"úF12ŒŽ11"ú("y)01Žž40
•ª7•b

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