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#1880 [2004-11-30 13:17:09]

Shinohara Question

by secretarytocapt3

Pic
http://www.geocities.com/sekisinhokoku/shinohara.jpg

Book ISBN 4056032831

Can someone please refresh my memory as to Shinohara's position in
the Shinsengumi (did skim Serizawa Kamo's bio)...and the Sekihoutai
connection???

Thanx

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#1881 [2004-11-30 13:27:57]

Re: [SHQ] Shinohara Question

by spiritus_saitou

The little bit of info I have for him on my site came from:

http://www2.plala.or.jp/shyall/retuden/sinsengumi.html



He was involved in investigations and left with Itou. That is his connection to the Sekihoutai --- he survived the attack on Itou's group and stayed with Miki, probably becoming a member of the Second Patrol under Miki's command.



phil







secretary <secretarytocapt3@...> wrote:
Pic
http://www.geocities.com/sekisinhokoku/shinohara.jpg

Book ISBN 4056032831

Can someone please refresh my memory as to Shinohara's position in
the Shinsengumi (did skim Serizawa Kamo's bio)...and the Sekihoutai
connection???

Thanx












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#1882 [2004-11-30 13:28:51]

Re: [SHQ] Shinohara Question

by warg3791

Can't recall his position ever being mentioned, but he was good buddies with
Ito. He's the one who said that Saitou killed Takeda. He was supposed to have
seen it firsthand, if I'm not mistaken. Both he and Saito were with Ito's
group at the time.

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#1883 [2004-11-30 13:35:18]

Re: [SHQ] Shinohara Question

by spiritus_saitou

BTW, Sec, what book is the isbn for? Another source for the pic?

phil

secretary <secretarytocapt3@...> wrote:

Pic
http://www.geocities.com/sekisinhokoku/shinohara.jpg

Book ISBN 4056032831

Can someone please refresh my memory as to Shinohara's position in
the Shinsengumi (did skim Serizawa Kamo's bio)...and the Sekihoutai
connection???

Thanx












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#1884 [2004-11-30 14:19:26]

Re: [SHQ] Shinohara Question

by bsher213

Yes that's actually a book I have all in japanese of course all about
the Shinsengumi I never knew who the picture was until I was clued in by
your site Phil!

All I know about Shinohara is that he was in the spy division and if
Koki Mitani is to be believed was the one who took the shot at
Kondou--also his wife fled with Itou's mistress & son to the Satsuma
clan mansion after Itou's murder when the Shinsengumi were trying to
round up the wives etc to find out where Itou's crew took off to.

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>connection???
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#1885 [2004-12-01 10:00:04]

Re: [SHQ] Shinohara Question

by tamagot93

Born in Chikugo ( actual Fukuoka prefecture) 10 oct. 1828 in a farmer's
family. Father's name was Gensuke and mother's name was Taki. Taki was
the daughter of 11th generation of Shinohara familly.
Shinohara go to Edo at the age of 31 and met Ito through his friend Kano.
In Shinsengumi, he was "Shoshi shirabe yaku ken Kansatsu" (same function
as Yamazaki which consists of "Shoshi shirabeyaku" intelligence agency
for the outside and "Kansatsu" inspection of activities of the members,
so investigation of inside.)
And he was also a Jujutsu teacher.

He married twice. The first wife was called Hagino and probably he might
marry before 1863 as their son has 5 years in 1867.
Shinohara called Hagino and son to Kyoto later when he joined to
Shinsengumi.

( I didn't mention here about Ito and Goryo eji as some facts are
already known)

After Aburano Koji affair(18 nov), Shinohara escaped and hide in the
house of a person related to an Imperial prince called Gyoubu Ozaki.
Shinsengumi come to search him in the morning or 19 but they couldn't
arrest Shinohara as they didn't dare force someone related to Imperial
family.
So Shinohara could move to Satsuma clan's mansion and joined to Miki there.

Hagino felt an uneasiness in the early morning of 19, and she came out
to the outside still dark though, then a servant came to see her and
said simply, "There was a trouble!", and run away soon.
She headed to Gesshin in, Goryo eji's quarter but nobody was there.
Then she went to the house of someone she knew in Miyagawa town( that's
supposed to be Ito's mistress's house) . While she was in that
house,Shinsengumi came to search her and she heard they saying to the
master that they had seen Shinohara's wife entered that house and asking
to hand her over to them.
Meanwhile, Hagino escaped from the back door and went to Ozaki's house
along the river bank. As Ozaki told her whereabouts of her husband, she
went to Satsuma mansion and could see him again in the noon of 20. She
was also joined by Ito's mistress and Tadao Arai's wife there.
Later Shinohara and his wife were sheltered in the Satsuma mansion in
Fushimi and Hagino.
After Shinohara attempted to shoot Kondo with the others, Hagino had to
change move different places to hide.

I think writing something more short at the beginning but that become
horribly long so, to be continued...( when I have time)

(This is the resume from Shinohara's bio from "100 anecdotes of
Shinsengumi", and "Rekishi dokuhon " Shinsengumi and women" special issue.)

Tama


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> Book ISBN 4056032831
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> Can someone please refresh my memory as to Shinohara's position in
> the Shinsengumi (did skim Serizawa Kamo's bio)...and the Sekihoutai
> connection???
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> Thanx
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#1886 [2004-12-01 10:30:53]

Re: [SHQ] Shinohara Question

by bsher213

Thank you Tama!!! Fantastic information as always!

I guess it's safe to assume that Shinohara became acquainted with the
prince Gyoubu Ozaki through Itou. The man had serious connections. he
was going places no wonder they wanted to get rid of him.

This pretty much validates your Aizu connection( Saitou spying on Itou
for both sides) there Sec.

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