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#1728 [2004-10-12 17:53:58]

reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by persiphatta

Hi, everyone!

I'm reading "Yakuza Diary," by Christopher Seymour, and came across a
reference to the Shinsengumi. Seymour was interviewing a yakuza who serves
as the historian for the Aizu Kotetsu, a clan in Kyoto. Speaking of the
founder of the Aizu Kotetsu, Ubesaki Senkichi, and Senkichi's boss, Senhachi
(who was from another gang; apparently the yakuza gangs would occasionally
spawn offshoots, and the sub-gang remained loyal to the leader of the main
gang), the yakuza historian says:

"In the years right before the 1868 Meiji Revolution, there was turbulance
in the samurai class. There was also trouble among the lower ranks of
guardsmen. They were losing their jobs protecting damiyo (sic), feudal
lords, residing in Kyoto. A gang called Shinseigumi, headed by a man named
Isao Kondo, found itself unemployed.

"Isao Kondo asked the gambling boss Senhachi for employment for the
redundant Shinseigumi men. Though Senhachi accepted these men into his
organization, he decided to put his favorite understudy (Senkichi) in charge
of these newcomers. Senkichi accepted the position and brought along three
friends from his youth to assist him.

"This reorganized gang was now called Aizu Kotetsu-kai. Aizu, for the
region where the gang originated, and Kotetsu, after Senhachi's favorite
brand of sword."

(p.72)

Don't know how accurate this is, but thought I'd throw it out there for
discussion or further research, if anyone is interested.

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#1729 [2004-10-12 19:08:42]

Re: [SHQ] reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by bsher213

Now THAT's an interesting theory!! I wonder if that fact/folktale has
anything to do with the NHK series writer's decision to give Saitou
Yakuza connections?

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#1730 [2004-10-13 06:06:00]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

The fact that the Shinsengumi operated in the red-light district
implied that they had to deal with the yakuza. Before the men who
would become the Shinsengumi entered Kyoto the yakuza probably ran
those infamous districts.
[theory] deals were made and the yakuza was part of the info net-work
on both sides of the revolution.
secretarytocapt3
Aizu Kotetsu....hmmmmmmm interesting

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#1731 [2004-10-13 07:47:26]

Re: [SHQ] reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by persiphatta

Alas, I haven't been keeping up with the NHK series, so didn't realize that
they'd done this.

On a completely different note, I noticed on the SHQ website, under the
picture of Saitou's son Tsuyoshi, there's a note saying he might have
emigrated to the U.S. Does anyone know what the evidence is that suggest
this? Are there Fujitas here who claim to be part of the family?

Bonnie

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#1764 [2004-10-25 23:33:56]

Re: [SHQ] reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by saitohworship

On a not so related note, does anyone happen to know how long the yakuza dates back to? It seems like they've been around forever... ^^;;;



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#1765 [2004-10-26 05:53:08]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

The problem may be with the word coinage of "yakuza" I'm sure
researchers can estimate when the word came into usage but common
sense points to the fact that every culture has organized crime
going way way back (^_^) and their influence continues today.

if you visit
http://www.streamload.com/green_2
click on Shinsengumi
then go to the folder "Shinsengumi, Articles, Screencaps, TMPD,
Seinan/Satsuma, Music Vids, Scanlations"
then the subfolder "ARTICLES"
download the PDF file "ironfantattoospdf.pdf"
you can read an article about tattoos and yakuza

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AIM=badgerturtle

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Animemystique wrote:
>
> On a not so related note, does anyone happen to know how long the
yakuza dates back to? It seems like they've been around forever...
^^;;;
>
>
>
> Saitoh Worship
> ~Anime Mystique~
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anime-j-pop_music_hosterz/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Noir_Yuumura_Mireille_Altena_Chloe/
>
>

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#1766 [2004-10-26 11:58:06]

Re: [SHQ] reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by shimazuryu

Yakuza, as far as I know, go WAY back. As far as I know, they were around in
the early Edo era-- known as bohachi or kutsuwa. They were pimps running
licensed brothels at that point, although they could've been involved in
other things.

--M.

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#1768 [2004-10-26 16:30:31]

Re: [SHQ] reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by saitohworship

this is sad... governments can be wiped out in a few years, but organized crime/groups hang around forever...rofl...they seem to be the only ones not very affected by change in eras or governments ^^;;;

Hirotada Tokugawa <patriot014@...> wrote:Yakuza, as far as I know, go WAY back. As far as I know, they were around in
the early Edo era-- known as bohachi or kutsuwa. They were pimps running
licensed brothels at that point, although they could've been involved in
other things.

--M.




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#1771 [2004-10-26 14:51:05]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by maximuz20032003

secrretary,whats the password for all the 3 files?....I cant get
through any......





--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary" wrote:
>
> The problem may be with the word coinage of "yakuza" I'm sure
> researchers can estimate when the word came into usage but common
> sense points to the fact that every culture has organized crime
> going way way back (^_^) and their influence continues today.
>
> if you visit
> http://www.streamload.com/green_2
> click on Shinsengumi
> then go to the folder "Shinsengumi, Articles, Screencaps, TMPD,
> Seinan/Satsuma, Music Vids, Scanlations"
> then the subfolder "ARTICLES"
> download the PDF file "ironfantattoospdf.pdf"
> you can read an article about tattoos and yakuza
>
> secretarytocapt3
> AIM=badgerturtle
>
> --- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Animemystique
wrote:
> >
> > On a not so related note, does anyone happen to know how long the
> yakuza dates back to? It seems like they've been around forever...
> ^^;;;
> >
> >
> >
> > Saitoh Worship
> > ~Anime Mystique~
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anime-j-pop_music_hosterz/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Noir_Yuumura_Mireille_Altena_Chloe/
> >
> >

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#1772 [2004-10-26 19:35:00]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

password for http://www.streamload.com/green_2
is MIBURO sorry :)
--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "maximuz20032003"
wrote:

> secrretary,whats the password for all the 3 files?....I cant get
> through any......

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#1774 [2004-10-27 06:36:56]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by wtiger_consort

I have a couple of articles about Ninja and the origin of the term
Oniwaban, and they mention the origins of the Yakuza. I'll paste
both relevant parts, hoping to help clarifying the issue (Hijikata
fans: notice the term tekiya):

NEW HEROES AND VILLAINS

The Koga and Iga Ninja who remained at the capital were soon
promoted.
Some where assigned to an elite gun corps, others became personal
guards,
and some even joined the local police force. Some of the most
prominent
Ninja and Samurai became "Hatamoto," or "Direct vassals to the
Shogun."
These positions were fleeting. In all respects, they were unemployed,
forcing many of them to become "Ronin," or "Masterless warriors."
Many
became known as "Kabuki-mono," which meant "Crazy ones". These
eccentric
Ninja and Samurai took on colorful names, wore strange clothing, and
took
pleasure in terrorizing any who crossed their path. They were
extremely
loyal to one another, and in time, the Kabuki-mono numbered over
500,000,
many of whom wandered throughout Japan looting towns and villages.
However,
to every coin there are two sides. Another group emerged
simultaneously.
These people were called "Machi-yakko," or "Servants of the town,"
and they
consisted of merchants, laborers, fishermen, renegade Ninja and
Ronin who
had become professional gamblers as a means of earning a living.
Everyone in
this group took up arms against the Kabuki-mono, serving as
protectors
against their tyranny. The Machi-yakko became heroes, praised by
town and
villages across the country for their bravery.

ELITE NINJA

In 1716 Tokugawa Yoshimune was named Shogun. When he assumed the
title, he
brought in many of his own people to run the government. Among those
in his
employ were Kishu-Ryu Ninja who were descendants of the Ninja who
fled to
the Kii province after the battle of Iga 135 years earlier. The
Shogun
organized the Kichu Ninja into a group called "Oniwaban," which was
to be a
large scale intelligence unit that would serve as the countries
internal
security network. The agents in this network were called "Metsuke,"
which
literally meant "Eyes." This new breed of Ninja was no longer
restricted to
the shadows. Their positions were very high profile and respectable.
The
Shogun assigned a Metsuke to serve a Daimyo in every province in the
land.
These agents were very polite, diplomatic and most importantly,
attentive to
the events of the province. This made it very difficult for any
Daimyo to
plot against the Shogun without the risk of being discovered. In
essence,
the Metsuke, because of their elite status, could openly map all the
details
of a castle in full view of everyone, noting its strengths and
weaknesses.
They could keep track of the number of Samurai employed by the
daimyo, and
they could investigate any issue that seemed suspicious to them. This
information would then be sent directly to the Shogun reference.

A SECRET UNDERWORLD

By the late 1700's the Machi-yakko (servants of the town) had
evolved into
a group known as Yakuza. This word, which roughly translated means
"worthless" comes from a card game called "Hanafuda," or "Flower
cards". The
goal of the game is to gather three cards that total 19 or under.
Anything
over 19 is a losing hand. The word YA meant 8, KU meant 9 and ZA
meant
three. This hand would total 20, which is a worthless hand, thus the
name
signifies someone who is an outsider of society. This group was
mostly made
up of the poor, landless misfits of society, which was perfect for
many
renegade Ninja and Ronin who could use their skills to attain high
positions
of power within the Yakuza hierarchy.

The Yakuza families were based on a Father (oyabun) Child (kobun)
relationship. The leader of a Yakuza family was considered to be the
parent
to all those in his group. Initiation into a Yakuza family was a
very ornate
ritual. Unlike a classical martial tradition which required a blood
oath
written on a scroll in the applicants own blood and then burned at
an alter,
the Yakuza simply exchanged sake (rice wine) cups, filled to a level
consistent with their rank, to symbolize their Oyabun-Kobun
relationship.
This act was performed before a Shinto alter, which gave it religious
significance. The Kobun position, although always subservient to the
Oyabun,
consisted of many levels. These levels included; under-boss,
officers,
enlisted and apprentices. Again, this structure was not unlike the
hierarchy
used by the Ninja families of Iga and Koga.
***********

Second article:

The Yakuza Introduction
Italy has the La Cosa Nostra. America has the Mafia. The Irish and
Jews have their own crime organizations in America. Southeast Asia
has the Triads. China, Hong Kong and Taiwan have the Tong. Truly
well-known organized crime organizations indeed.
However, there is one organization that was not mentioned in the
above list, a group that has been around for over 300 years. A group
that has as much honor and principle as the Mafia, and is just as
strong, if not stronger.
The group is yakuza. 

History of the Yakuza --- Feudal Japan Kabuki-Mono

The yakuza can trace its origins back to as early as 1612, when
people known as kabuki-mono ("crazy ones"), began to attract the
attention of local officials. Their odd clothing and haircuts and
behavior, along with carrying long swords at their sides, made them
quite noticeable. Kabuki-mono made a habit of antagonizing and
terrorizing anyone at their leisure, even to the point of cutting
one down just for sheer pleasure.
The kabuki-mono were eccentric samurai, taking outrageous names for
their bands and speaking heavily in slang. Their loyalty to one
another was remarkable. They would protect each other from any
threat, including against their own families. In fact, the kabuki-
mono were servants of the shogun, also taking the name of hatamoto-
yakko ("Servants of the shogun"). The groups were comprised of
nearly 500,000 samurai that were forced into unemployment during the
time of peace during the Tokugawa era, forcing them to become ronin
("Wave man," a master less samurai). Many had turned into bandits,
looting towns and villages as they wandered throughout Japan.
The hatamoto-yakko cannot truly be seen as the forebears of that
yakuza. Instead, the yakuza see the machi-yokko ("Servants of the
town") as their ancestors. These people were the ones who took up
arms and defended the villages and towns from the hatamoto-yokko.
These people consisted of such occupations as clerks, shopkeepers,
innkeepers, laborers, homeless warriors and other ronin. Everyone
who was part of the machi-yakko was an adept gambler, which helped
them develop a closely-knit relationship with each other and their
leaders, much like today's yakuza.
The machi-yakko soon became folk heroes, praised by the townspeople
for their actions against the hatamoto-yakko, though they were, for
the most part, untrained and weaker than the hatamoto-yakko. They
were very similar to England's Robin Hood. Some of the machi-yakko
were even subjects of stories and plays.
The early yakuza did not surface until the middle to late 1700's.
These members include the bakuto (traditional gamblers) and the
tekiya (street peddlers). These terms are still used today to
describe yakuza members today, although a third group, gurentai
(hoodlums) has been added in the post World War II era. Everyone in
those groups came from the same background: poor, landless,
delinquents and misfits. The groups stuck closely in the same small
areas without problems, as the bakuto remained mostly along the
highways and towns, and the tekiya operated in the markets and fairs
of Japan.
The yakuza began organizing into families, adopting a relationship
known as oyabun-kobun (father-role/child-role). The oyabun was
the "father," providing advice, protection and help; the kobun acted
as the "child," swearing unswerving loyalty and service whenever the
oyabun needed it. The initiation ceremony for the yakuza also
developed in this period of time. Instead of the actual bloodletting
that was practiced by the Mafia and the Triads, the yakuza exchanged
sake cups to symbolize the entrance into the yakuza and the oyabun-
kobun relationship. The amounts of sake poured into each cup
depended upon one's status, whether the participants were father-
son, brother-brother, elder-younger, etc. The ceremony was usually
performed in front if a Shinto altar, giving it religious
significance. Tekiya
The tekiya's history is still widely debated. The most widely
accepted theory was that the tekiya came from yashi, an earlier word
meaning peddler. The yashi were travelling merchants of medicine,
much similar to the American West's snake oil merchants. Over time,
yashi became a catch-all for all merchants and peddlers.
They tekiya united with each other for protection and mutual
interest from the Tokugawa regime. They began to control the booths
at fairs and markets. Their reputation for shoddy merchandise was
well known and well-deserved. Their salesmanship was deceptive. They
lied about origins and quality of products. The would act drunk and
make a show of selling their wares cheaply, so it would appear that
they were unaware of what they were doing. They would delude the
customer.
The tekiya followed the usual yakuza organization: oyabun,
underboss, officers, enlisted and apprentices. The oyabun controlled
the kobun and the allocation of stalls along with the availability
of the goods. He also collected rents and protection money, and
would pocket the difference between the two. Everything they did was
legal work. In the middle 1700's, the feudal authorities recognised
and therefore increased the power of the tekiya. Oyabun were given
the authority of supervisor, now being able to have a surname and
carry two swords similar to samurai, in order to reduce the threat
of turf wars due to widespread fraud. However, the tekiya still
embraced some criminal traits, such as protection rackets, the
harboring of fugitives and known criminals, and brawling with other
tekiya and gangs.

Bakuto --- the Gamblers 

The bakuto were first recognized during the Tokugawa era, when the
government hired them to gamble with contraction and irrigation
workers in order to regain a portion of the substantial wages the
workers received.
The bakuto contributed to Japan's tradition for gambling, as well as
the yakuza's traditional "finger-cutting," and the origin of the
word "yakuza."
The word comes from a hand in a card game called hanafuda (flower
cards), similar to blackjack. Three cards are dealt per player, and
the last digit of the total counts as the number of the hand. A hand
of 20, the worst score, gives the score of zero. One such losing
combination is 8-9-3, or ya-ku-sa, which began to be widely used to
denote something useless. This term began to be used about bakuto,
as they were, on the whole, useless to society.
Yubitsume, the custom of finger-cutting, was introduced by the
bakuto. The top joint of the little finger is ceremoniously severed,
signifying a weakening of the hand, which meant that the gambler
could not hold his sword as firmly. Yubitsume was performed was
usually performed as an act of apology to the oyabun. Further
infractions would either mean the severing of the next joint or the
top section of another finger. It is also used as a lasting
punishment just before expulsion.
The use of tattoos also came from the criminal aspect of the bakuto.
Criminals were usually tattooed with a black ring around an arm for
each offense he had committed. However, the tattoos soon became a
test of strength, as they were applied by undergoing 100 hours for a
complete back tattoo. The tattoo also marked a misfit, always
unwilling to adapt themselves to society. 

The Restoration Years

The Meiji Restoration, starting in 1867, gave Japan a rebirth and
its first of many transformations into an industrial nation.
Political parties and a parliament were created, as well as a
powerful military.
The yakuza also began to modernize, keeping in pace with a rapidly
changing Japan. They recruited members from construction jobs and
dock workings. They even began to control the rickshaw business.
Gambling, however, had to be even more covert, as police were
cracking down on bakuto gangs. The tekiya, unlike the bakuto,
thrived and expanded, as their activities were not illegal, at least
not on the surface.
The yakuza began to dabble in politics, taking sides with certain
politicians and officials. They cooperated with the government so
they could get official sanction, or at least some freedom from
harassment.
The government did find a use for the yakuza --- as aid to ultra
nationalists, who took a militaristic role in Japan's adaption into
democracy. Various secret societies were created and trained
militarily, trained in languages, assassination, blackmail, etc. The
ultra nationalist reign of terror lasted into the 1930's, consisting
of several coups d'etat, the assassination of two prime ministers
and two finance ministers, and repeated attacks on politicians and
industrialists. The yakuza provided muscle and men to the cause and
participated in "land development" programs in occupied Manchuria or
China.
Things changed, however, when Pearl Harbor was bombed. The
government no longer needed the ultra nationalists or the yakuza.
Members of these groups either worked with the government, put on a
uniform, or were put into jail.



--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Bonnie Johnston"
wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone!
>
> I'm reading "Yakuza Diary," by Christopher Seymour, and came
across a
> reference to the Shinsengumi. Seymour was interviewing a yakuza
who serves
> as the historian for the Aizu Kotetsu, a clan in Kyoto. Speaking
of the
> founder of the Aizu Kotetsu, Ubesaki Senkichi, and Senkichi's
boss, Senhachi
> (who was from another gang; apparently the yakuza gangs would
occasionally
> spawn offshoots, and the sub-gang remained loyal to the leader of
the main
> gang), the yakuza historian says:
>
> "In the years right before the 1868 Meiji Revolution, there was
turbulance
> in the samurai class. There was also trouble among the lower
ranks of
> guardsmen. They were losing their jobs protecting damiyo (sic),
feudal
> lords, residing in Kyoto. A gang called Shinseigumi, headed by a
man named
> Isao Kondo, found itself unemployed.
>
> "Isao Kondo asked the gambling boss Senhachi for employment for
the
> redundant Shinseigumi men. Though Senhachi accepted these men
into his
> organization, he decided to put his favorite understudy (Senkichi)
in charge
> of these newcomers. Senkichi accepted the position and brought
along three
> friends from his youth to assist him.
>
> "This reorganized gang was now called Aizu Kotetsu-kai. Aizu, for
the
> region where the gang originated, and Kotetsu, after Senhachi's
favorite
> brand of sword."
>
> (p.72)
>
> Don't know how accurate this is, but thought I'd throw it out
there for
> discussion or further research, if anyone is interested.
>
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#1775 [2004-10-27 07:56:40]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

wow! wtiger_consort thank you!
if you can get the full citation of the author, and isbn# you can
turn your report into an htm or htmel document and upload as a FILE
so new members can study the info...
---------------------------------
S-G from http://www.livejournal.com/community/miburo_lair and
CaptainSaitou has allowed me to post their thread on Geisha as an
htm document in the Files section...look for "Info on Geisha.htm"

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#1776 [2004-10-27 09:09:14]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by wtiger_consort

Ok... I'll see what I can do...
Firuze

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary"
wrote:
>
> wow! wtiger_consort thank you!
> if you can get the full citation of the author, and isbn# you can
> turn your report into an htm or htmel document and upload as a
FILE
> so new members can study the info...
> ---------------------------------
> S-G from http://www.livejournal.com/community/miburo_lair and
> CaptainSaitou has allowed me to post their thread on Geisha as an
> htm document in the Files section...look for "Info on Geisha.htm"

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#1796 [2004-11-02 23:53:49]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by momomanjyuu2004

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "wtiger_consort"
wrote:
>
> I have a couple of articles about Ninja and the origin of the term
> Oniwaban, and they mention the origins of the Yakuza. I'll paste
> both relevant parts, hoping to help clarifying the issue (Hijikata
> fans: notice the term tekiya):


This is wonderful article.
I did not know about the relation between Ninja and Yakuza.
This is very interesting.

The origins of Yakuza which I know are the wanderers generated at
Muromachi period.
People who wander about the inside of Japan freely existed in
Muromachi period and Sengoku period.
Please remember Miyamoto Musashi and Tsukahara Bokuden.
There were many people who wandered about with ambition like them.
Or there were the merchants and entertainers who travel in every
place.
Those people were mixed in the city and formed the group of the
outlaw who wore showy clothes.
These are Kabuki-mono.
Kabuki-mono is hooligans' fashion.
Lower samurais with bad behavior copied this fashion.
When the Sengoku age was over and Japan became peaceful, those
outlaws lost ambition.
And the skirmish of a territorial fight started.
They were systematized for every territory and became the existence
called Machi-yakko.
And they were opposed to the lower samurais who oppress people.
Sengoku period was over and many samurais lost the hope of success
in life.
Lower samurais used the pent-up anger to oppress people of a status
lower than they.
These samurais are Hatamoto-yakko.
Machi-yakko and Hatamoto-yakko were opposed to each other, whenever
something happened.
This Machi-yakko is the origin of Yakuza.

However, it is not strange to think that there were people who make
Ninja the origin in them.
Yakuza is the group made from various elements.
They are the outlaws generated to the Sengoku period mostly.
Moreover, the main duties of Ninjas were espionage.
They disguised themselves as the traveler or the merchant and
traveled in many districts.
If it is taken into consideration, Ninjas may be able to be called
wanderers' same kind.


Yakuza was kind to people of their territory.
In the gambling house which they manage, people were important
customers.
In fact, many of incomes of Yakuza were gamble and a construction
worker's charge of an agency recommendation.
(Yakuza and construction work were already deeply related since the
Edo period.)

Famous Yakuza of the name of Kunisada Chuuji existed.
When he was young, he was the bad man who committed crimes, such as
a burglar.
However, after he became the oyabun of Yakuza of an Akagi district,
he was going to be trusted by people and did much good behavior.
For farmers, he performed irrigation works.
At the time of famine, his family distributed rice to people.
He came to be trusted by people of a territory.
However, he was not able to cooperate with men of power.
His family had always caused the strife with the government
officials of an Akagi district.
They were cornered at last and hid out in the Akagi mountain.
Farmers climbed the mountain and sent food to them so that it might
not be found by government officials.
After Kunisada Chuuji was executed, a Confucian scholar's Hakura
Kandou wrote his biography.
The name of Kunisada was memorized by people as Yakuza hero.

Of course, Yakuza hero is not only him.
Many Yakuzas protected people from the violence of men of power or
outlaws, and received praise.
They had the rule of not making trouble for people.
The enemies whom they fight were always men of power or other Yakuza
families.
To be sure, such Yakuzas existed till around 1960.
In Hiroshima after WW2, Yakuzas protected people from outlaws
instead of the police which stopped functioning.
However, such Yakuzas disappeared gradually.
Although I do not understand a detailed reason, I think that it is
because the outlaws generated after WW2 captured Yakuza society.
They do not have the tradition and the rule of Yakuzas.
They use violence on people and involve people in a crime.
They have also acquired a bad reputation in foreign countries.


Well, let's return subject.
Since I seldom know about Yakuza, I feel that it is impolite for me
to discuss the contents of this article.
However, I think that the origin of a word of Yakuza and explanation
of Tekiya are very exact by the limitation which I can understand.
The opinion of being the custom in which Yubitsume was introduced
from Bakuto is interesting.
In fact, I think that their finger is very important for gamblers.


By the way, why does a Hijikata fans need to be careful about
Tekiya?
I worried for a while and have noticed.
Possibly, are you talking about the scene which Hijikata of Taiga
drama peddled?
Hijikata sold medicine at the sales talk deceitful to be sure at the
time of the beginning of that drama.
It resembled the excessive talk of Tekiya.
Moreover, he deceived some Dojyo and sold medicine.
However, it is a mistake supposing you are talking about those
scenes.
That is adaptation for Taiga drama.
Actual Hijikata had medicine and rounded customers.
This is medicinal peddlers' ordinary style and is not related to
Tekiya.
Moreover, when Dojyo was seen, he entered there and sold medicine.
And he received instruction of the art of fencing from people of
Dojyo.
It is after WW2 that people got to know that there was no medicinal
effect in Ishida-sanyaku.
Hijikata believed that medicine was effective, and sold it, and
customers also believed and bought it.
The superintendent of HijikataToshizou-shiryokan which is the
relative of Hijikata is warning the people who came there "Do not
believe Taidga drama." .
I sense that a sales method like a Taiga drama is interesting.
However, it will be provoking for the relatives of Hijikata that the
fraudulent practice of a fiction is misunderstood.
Incidentally, in many Mangas and dramas, Hijikata goes to sell
medicine alone.
However, he has having acted with the old man in many cases in
record.
In the portion, a Taiga drama is exact.

Again, your article was very interesting.
Thank you very much.


momoiro-usagi

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#1797 [2004-11-03 00:09:08]

About Aizu Kotetsu (Comment of "Yakuza Diary")

by momomanjyuu2004

Their relation was not found although I searched some sites about
Aizu Kotetsu and Shinsengumi.
Therefore, although it becomes only my opinion, what I have noticed
is written.

Although it seems that it is written to the book that Shinsengumi
lost its job before 1868, they have not lost their job.
Surely, when Tokugawa parted with political power, they lost the
work which patrols Kyoto.
However, they were already formally employed as vassals of Tokugawa
at the time.
Although Tokugawa went out of power, it had still huge territories
and many vassals.
Of course, the salary was regularly paid to them.
Moreover, Shinsengumi did not regard existence of self as unstable.
Toward the end of 1867, Tokugawa tended to disassemble Mimawarigumi
and Shinsengumi and tended to reorganize an army called Shin-
Yugekitai.
However, Kondou who was apprehensive about the influence of
Shinsengumi being lost refused this.
Moreover, between Satuma-Chosyu and Tokugawa, it was in the
situation where it is not known when war starts.
Does Kondou who has loyalty in Tokugawa ask for other employment at
the time?

Although it seems that it is written to "Yakuza Diary" as "A gang
called Shinseigumi", I have dissatisfaction in this text.
(Please do not have misunderstanding, Bonnie-san. I do not blame
you. Thank you for the interesting information.)
Well, Shinsengumi is the private police which was protecting the
peace of Kyoto in response to approval for the government of the
time.
It differs from an act which is called gang.
They received a bad reputation different from the fact after the
Meiji Restoration.
It is thought that Yakuza of this interview is the Emperor's
sympathizer.
The Emperors and Satsuma-Chosyu-related historians often do such
evaluation to Shinsengumi.
I respect the Emperor family.
Moreover, I do not have a feeling of dislike so much to Satsuma-
Chosyu.
However, I have a feeling of dislike in such historians truly.

This is the incident which arose in the spring of this year.
The Dietman of a Yamagutchi (Chosyu) district denounced Shinsengumi
as the terrorist about the program of NHK.
Since NHK is a public broadcasting office, it is discussed in
Parliament about the program.
He says that the program which idealizes the terrorist who wounded
our ancestor is not allowed morally.
The minister who replied to it was the posterity of the samurai of
Satsuma.
Shinsengumi was the garrison whom the government of those days
accepted, and our ancestor's side was a terrorist.
The minister answered like this and he said that history changed
with positions.
This minister is the posterity of Okubo Toshimichi.
Since I was simple, I thought that a great man's posterity was
splendid.
Incidentally, I do not know whose posterity a Dietman is. lol


Aizu Kotetsu is the gambler who was related to the Aizu mansion in
Kyoto.
The residence of Daimyo was extraterritoriality at the time.
Since Bugyousyo (Police) could not be entered, lower samurais' room
was often used for the gambling house.
He was the rowdy who wore the kimono of Aizu's mark.
Although his name was Uesaka Senkichi, his name was Tetsugorou when
younger.
And he was very short.
Therefore, people called him Aizu Kotetsu (Aizu's small Tetsu).
To be sure, he had Nagasone-Kotetsu.
However, in the name of Nagasone-Kotetsu and him, Kanji is
completely different.

Aizu Kotetsu and Kobuns buried the Aizu samurais' body to Komyo-ji
after Toba-Fushimi war.
Although it was the act forbidden to the Meiji government troops, he
buried those bodies with the determination to receive punishment, in
order to return Aizu's obligation.
And they made the cemetery for the Aizu samurais.
They kept protecting the cemetery, without yielding to persecution.

The government troops forbade burying losers' body at the time of
Boshin war.
What Yakuzas of each area buried those bodies for in opposition to
the government troops is an interesting fact.
When the ship of Tokugawa sank to the Suruga bay, Oyabun of famous
Yakuza called "Shimizu no Jirochou" collected and buried the bodies
of the samurais who drowned.
(He is Oyabun of Yakuza most famous for Japan. Furthermore, although
this is an unrelated talk, Yakuza called "Kurokoma no Katsuzou"
which appears as a rival in his biography exists. The Yakuza
participated in Sekihoutai together with 200 persons' Kobuns.)

Moreover, Yanagawa Kumakichi which buried losers' body after the
Hakodate war was Oyabun of Hakodate.
He is building Hekketsu-hi for the dead's repose of souls.
Their acts were the sympathy to a Tokugawa army, and rebounding to
the government troops.
And the life of people of their territory needed to be protected.

By the way, the body of Hijikata has the opinion of being buried,
under Hekketsu-hi.
This is in the investigation report which Mr. Taira of Hijikata's
relative requested from the policeman of Hakodate at Meiji Era.
The policeman investigated Yanagawa Kumakichi.
Yanagawa answered like this to the policeman.
Although Hijikata was buried by subordinates in a certain village,
when building Hekketsu-hi, Yanagawa and Kobuns dug him up and buried
it in the place of Hekketsu-hi.
Hijikata's burial place has many opinions and the truth is not
known.
However, even if Yanagawa considers burying him under Hekketsu-hi, I
think that it is not strange.


Although it is about Aizu Kotetsu and Aizu Kotetsu-kai, these two do
not have relation.
The name of Aizu Kotetsu was finished when Uesaka's son died in
1935.
Yakuza which is completely unrelated to Uesaka began to use the name
of Aizu Kotetsu-kai from 1975.
Although I do not understand whether the relation between
Shinsengumi and Aizu Kotetsu was, Yakuza of the time and the present
Yakuza are completely different existences.


momoiro-usagi

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#1972 [2004-12-26 13:40:41]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

I wanted to add a bit more info on Tattoos and some differing opinions

http://horimono.net/
[FAQ] "3. Aren't tattoos in Japan the mark of yakuza organised
criminals? Unfortunately Hollywood, Western and Japanese writers and
the media have portrayed Japanese tattoos in a very negative light;
note how many so-called reference books and tattoo experts talk
about 'yakuza tattoos.' Just because many yakuza are tattooed does
not mean those who are tattooed are yakuza - in most countries of the
world tattoos are common among the criminal element of society. In
America many crack whores and paedophiles have tattoos, however,
people do not call them 'crack whore tattoos' or 'paedophile
tattoos.' I believe the same applies to horimono. A visit to any
tattoo artist's studio in Japan should instantly dispel this
misconception."

Great Reading....
http://www.artelino.com/articles/japanese_tattoo_art.asp
note that laborers and firemen also liked to get tattoos...its a
bonding thing

http://www.artelino.com/articles/edo_firemen.asp
details about honorable bandits, outcasts and firemen

Lastly an example of a tattoo from the film...TATTOOED LIFE (great
final fight scene!...the film is surprisingly NOT about gratuitous
violence/sex)
http://1happyturtle.com/makoto/TattooedLife.jpg
the heroine in the film asks her man to strip because she found it
odd that even other men have not seen his body...the phrase "bare
your shoulder" is used in other places of the film as well...clearly
getting a tattoo is a bad idea if want to live on the right side of
the law usually (^_^)


--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "secretary" wrote:
>
> The problem may be with the word coinage of "yakuza" I'm sure
> researchers can estimate when the word came into usage but common
> sense points to the fact that every culture has organized crime
> going way way back (^_^) and their influence continues today.
>
> if you visit
> http://www.streamload.com/green_2
> click on Shinsengumi
> then go to the folder "Shinsengumi, Articles, Screencaps, TMPD,
> Seinan/Satsuma, Music Vids, Scanlations"
> then the subfolder "ARTICLES"
> download the PDF file "ironfantattoospdf.pdf"
> you can read an article about tattoos and yakuza
>
> secretarytocapt3
> AIM=badgerturtle
>
> --- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, Animemystique
wrote:
> >
> > On a not so related note, does anyone happen to know how long the
> yakuza dates back to? It seems like they've been around forever...
> ^^;;;
> >
> >
> >
> > Saitoh Worship
> > ~Anime Mystique~
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anime-j-pop_music_hosterz/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Noir_Yuumura_Mireille_Altena_Chloe/
> >
> >

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#1976 [2004-12-27 10:06:30]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

The Japanese Tattoo
by Sandi Fellman, D.M. Thomas (Introduction)
ISBN: 0896597989

*those who would like to research tattoos should try to find books
by Donald Richie who is an authority on the subject

[NOTES]

Ya ku za = 893 (from a card game...the combination of numbers
means "worthless")

Yakuza is connected to the 17th century Banzuin Chobei a commoner
hero bandit

[tattoos]
irezumi (ire-zumi) =insertion of ink or
horimoni (hori-moni)= a think "carved" or "sculpted" engraved
is connected to the Chinese novel (with history mixed in) SUIKODEN
(Water Margin or All men are Brothers)...formally translated in
Japanese in 1805...by 1850s the story was glorified in the ukiyo-e
art from by various artists

the word SHINOBU "to hide oneself" is a very loaded term for people
in the irezumi world who live in concealment (the author of the book
above emphasizes how people with tattoos are quiet normal and no
they aren't part of the criminal underworld...if anything they are
secretive due to the stereotype)

in 1869 tattooing was outlawed temporarily and police raided the
homes of popular tattooists (horishi)

Horicho (who was involved in a love suicide in 1900) practiced his
craft on KING GEORGE V and NICHOLAS 2 (last tsar of Russia)...both
men were involved in the navy and visited the artist on their days
off to get dragon tattoos

the most famous artist right now is Mitusaki Ohwada (HORIKEN) he
father was an instructors at the Yokohama police academy...as a
youth he practiced on ham, sausage, daikon....at 20 he showed his
parents his own work on himself...they were horrified and his father
resigned from his position in the force (even though their son's
fascination was kept a secret)

HORIKEN is also the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department's walking
database of tattoos (identify dead bodies etc)...as he can identify
the tattoo artist (based on unique styles)....therefore tattoo
artists can be more effective than a mere graphic database

full body tattoos can sometimes be "donated" or sold upon the death
of the person to hospitals through a process called
decortication...the skin is basically removed from the
body...certain tattoos designs (river tattoo) was formulated for
removal after a person was flayed

a favorite motiff of tattoos is BENTEN KOZO (portrayed in
kabuki)...a handsome thief who crossdresses as a woman and once
caught, revealed his full body tattoo

people who want more details (some are bit ::cough:: controversial)
can AIM me at "BADGERTURTLE"

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#1987 [2004-12-29 16:49:37]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

Those who study samurai culture should atleast have a passing
familiarity with yakuza "culture" as well...they use the same
vocabulary and the latter emulates the former in its attempts to
justify its existence in society

*those of us who have read about Okubo will have been exposed to
different *versions* of his assasination...here is another version...

Similarly, Itagaki was supposedly stabbed by a "radical"
student...the notes below will identify the criminals

[if you had to buy ONE book on the yakuza, this is THE book to buy]

Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld (expanded edition 2003)
By David E. Kaplan and Alec Dubro
ISBN 0520215613

Mitsuru Toyama (3rd son of a family with obscure samurai rank) was
from Fukuoka (KYUSHU)

Toyama fought on the side of Satsuma during the Seinan War (1876-77)

He served a 3 year jail sentence

Organized KYOSHISHA (Pride and Patriotism Society)

Became known as the emperor of the slums

Founded Genyosha (Dark Ocean Society in 1881)
Motto "revere the emperor, love and respect the nation, and defend
people's rights"
Goal = colonize the islands separating Japan from Korea and China
Genyosha considered themselves the exact opposite of bakuto
(gamblers) and tekiya (peddlers)
Genyosha operated schools for ultranationalists, studied martial
arts, foreign languages and specialized in spying, they were also
bodyguards for government officials
Genyosha = the most sophisticated intelligence network in Japan prior
to WWII
Agents were sent to China, Korea and Manchuria

Genyosha…threw a bomb into the carriage of Foreign Minister Shigenobu
(he lost his leg)
Genyosha Stabbed the liberal politician Taisuke Itagaki
Genyosha Murdered Toshimichi Okubo

[1892 in Kumamoto (Kyushu)] cooperated with conservatives in the
Meiji government, nearby gangs, and the local police (under the
orders of the minister of home affairs-I believe Yamagata Aritomo
held this position this year) to harass all *democratic and *liberal
organizations in the region

Genyosha under the orders of the Minister of War in [1895] used their
squad of ninja to infiltrate the Korean Imperial Palace and murder
the queen (Japan would occupy Korea for the next 50 years)

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#1988 [2004-12-30 13:00:29]

Re: reference to shinsengumi & yakuza

by secretarytocapt3

Okay hopefully my post should wrap up the yakuza discussion (I
appreciate your patience)
*yahoo won't let me upload the file without "timing out" so I'm
hosting these scans
http://1happyturtle.com/makoto/yakuzadiary.pdf
I only scanned pages which deal directly with the Aizu-Kotetsu and
Isao Kondo and his Shinseigumi (these are the spellings from the book)

I do realize that in AIm chats with SHQ members that I misquoted the
book saying that the Aizu-Kotetsu existed as far back as the
1830s...but in fact that is the decade in which the founder of the
gang was born...if you read the excerpt we are in fact dealing with
the Bakumatsu and our Shinsengumi

[side notes]
from my post about the Genyosha hopefully you can see that the
definition of yakuza as simple lowly gamblers/peddlers is merely a
superficial assessment just as "samurai" is filled with minor sub-
classes

modern day examples of yakuza and law enforcement exist and at times
it is certainly beneficial to the police and ofcourse at the same
time leads to corruption of the justice system...low level yakuza
have also entered the system. Yes, background checks are standard
procedure however the force would much rather prefer a "right"
leaning person politically over a "left" leaning person. This
attitude is right out of the Meiji era in which the police+yakuza
were used to crack down on liberal activists. *Note left/liberal
labels do not match 100% our modern American definition but it does
come prettyclose. Yakuza bosses also find it to be a good idea to
let go of their underlings into law enforcement careers should, in
the future, they have to deal with the police. Yakuza poetry is
popular amongst cops and law enforcement publications are widely read
by the yakuza...speaking of media the yakuza not only have ties in
the entertainment business....they PRODUCE many films...the names of
oyabun appear right in the credits. Toei has made over 200 yakuza
films many backed by the underworld...in fact one boss said that no
major actor during the golden era of Japanese cinema has not
somehow "benefited" from their influence.

the low crime rates in Japan may in fact be partially due to not only
competant police...but also their tacit agreements with the
underworld...yakuza are part of the eyes and ears of the police as
they do tip off authorities when rogue criminals enter into their
turf...the yakuza way of seeing things is that they "absorb" rogue or
excessively violent criminals

the book I mentioned in the previous post by David E. Kaplan and Alec
Dubro (Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld) examine the yakuza during
feudal times when there was a 5 year period when oyabun (local
bosses/godfathers) were granted the right to wear 2 swords and a
surname. Oyabun were also deputized by local police (which I'm
assuming are like the guys you see in Hatchobori 7).

secretarytocapt3

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