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#201 [2004-05-03 21:07:29]

WARNING Shinsengumi! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by crouching_tiger_realm

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I asked a friend of mine (currently living in Japan) about the Shinsengumi drama, and well, I thought it would be nice to share her impressions, specially for those who see the drama neither subbed or dubbed... sooo here it goes

Hi!

Hehehe...here it is, again (^-^).

Saitoh is the best, imo, followed closely by Hijikata and Nagakura, though the guy playing Okita does a great job, too. Very close to the idea I had with the history books. Serizawa is great, but that was a given, LOL. Kondo is imo completely miscast, I use to like Shingo, but he is SO not fitting, too girlie and sweet, for now at least. You wonder why Hijikata does so much for that dork (my Japanese friends were LTAO at seeing him crying over the assassinated foreigner...they didn't appreciate at all the PC twist to History). The only good thing with Shingo is that the ratings being bad (14% a few weeks ago -before Saitoh reappeared-, whereas "Toshie to Matsu", two years ago, was regularly getting between 28 and 30) is that his SMAP friend Kimura Takuya might do a cameo later (Kusanagi Tsuyoshi too, but who cares?LOL)...and a Kimu Taku /Odagiri Joe scene is something that I won't miss for an empire.

The Saitoh highlights:

At Kondo's wedding, when he explains his situation, wounded, to Kondo, Dork 1.0 says "Ah, but today it's my wedding", and Saitoh answers "congratulations"...half seriously, but a bit deadpan, too...Top 5 of the best lines in a TV magazine (^-^).

When he comes back, in Kyoto, lurking in the shadows, he overhears Yamanami saying that Kondo wants to save Kiyokawa (when Yamanami tricks Serizawa), and finds Kiyokawa before everybody. When Kiyokawa asks why Saitoh helps him, Saitoh-ish answer number one:"I owe nothing to you, but I owe the man who is trying to save you" (quotes are by memory (^-^))

Then, at the Yagi's, there is an hilarious scene where Yagi's wife shows to her husband the new guys, and complain that *they* grow "subrepticely, like mice", and then Saitoh passes by them, saying "excuse-me". The woman is: "See! This one wasn't there before,THEY grow", and Yagi is "Yes, but isn't this one a otoko-mae?" (otoko-mae: creme de la creme, manly and good looking, in summary, the best specimen of man). The guy playing Yagi, Itoh, is very popular as an actor, and so ironic, a delight.

In the confrontation with the Ishin having insulted the Shogun, Saitoh is once more arriving behind, and asks Hijikata "I kill him?". Cold blood, almost casually, and a bit happy about it, LOL. After Kusaka refuses to answer again, Hijikata says "Yeah, kill him", and only the arrival of Katsura saves the guy, revealing that the offender is Takasugi. Too bad, LOL.

The last episode: Saitoh was completely RK-like, IC, perfect! He went out of the kissaten, at the beginning, because they had just sweets, and he doesn't like sweets(poor future Mrs Harada is all rattled). No softies, hehehe. He catches everything, real spy, and they save O-Yuki, whom Saitoh notices escaping from 5 men, fight scene (thankfully O-Yuki is for Kondo, LOL). Then, there is a Serizawa man insulting Kondo, who has to prevent Saitoh from jumping at the offender's throat. Loyalty, again. But also, Saitoh doesn't forget, and waits for his moment: he follows the Serizawa man outside during the reception with the Aizu counselors at the Yagi's place, later that day. Saitoh attacks him with a great sadistic and ruthless smile, and it seems that Saitoh is going to kill him, with his dagger. But he stops it just at the last moment, and you have the Saitoh-ish sentence number one again: "I owe Serizawa, so I will spare your life now, but not if you ever insult Kondo again". And he
cuts the guy's nose! (The edge, at least).

On a side note, there was a very funny exchange between Yagi Hide, Okita and Todo (Dork 2.0). She speaks using "de gozaru" and "sessha", like another character in a certain manga, and Okita asks her "BTW, why do you use this stinky old-fashioned way to speak?" ("Ojisan kusai"). She is puzzled, and the two men try to explain her, and they finish with "it's not "in" " (wakasa ga nai: there's no youth). LOL. Really wonder if Mitani Yuki read RK. Revenge of the Saitoh fan, LOL.

Next week, me thinks Kusaka is dead meat...and if it isn't him this time, it will be sooner or later. The guy is moronically suicidal and Saitoh obviously doesn't like to be deprived of his fun.

See you, take care, sorry for the rants,



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#202 [2004-05-03 21:19:57]

Re: [SHQ_Spy_Division] WARNING Shinsengumi! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by bsher213

spoilers here too...

Firuze Khanume wrote:

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>Then, at the Yagi's, there is an hilarious scene where Yagi's wife shows to her husband the new guys, and complain that *they* grow "subrepticely, like mice", and then Saitoh passes by them, saying "excuse-me". The woman is: "See! This one wasn't there before,THEY grow", and Yagi is "Yes, but isn't this one a otoko-mae?" (otoko-mae: creme de la creme, manly and good looking, in summary, the best specimen of man). The guy playing Yagi, Itoh, is very popular as an actor, and so ironic, a delight.
>
>
I KNEW that's what Mrs Yagi was saying even though I couldn't understand
a word!

SO the little slimeball with Katsura was Takasugi...

Hey Firuze can you find out what the deal was with the guy Serizawa
killed last night the one who lef the note for Kondou?

--
Barbara Sheridan

http://www.barbarasheridan.net

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#203 [2004-05-03 21:25:38]

Re: [SHQ_Spy_Division] WARNING Shinsengumi! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by crouching_tiger_realm

Hi,
no prob, I'll ask her... ;-)
Firuze
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Sheridan
To: SHQ_Spy_Division@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SHQ_Spy_Division] WARNING Shinsengumi! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


spoilers here too...

Firuze Khanume wrote:

>
>Then, at the Yagi's, there is an hilarious scene where Yagi's wife shows to her husband the new guys, and complain that *they* grow "subrepticely, like mice", and then Saitoh passes by them, saying "excuse-me". The woman is: "See! This one wasn't there before,THEY grow", and Yagi is "Yes, but isn't this one a otoko-mae?" (otoko-mae: creme de la creme, manly and good looking, in summary, the best specimen of man). The guy playing Yagi, Itoh, is very popular as an actor, and so ironic, a delight.
>
>
I KNEW that's what Mrs Yagi was saying even though I couldn't understand
a word!

SO the little slimeball with Katsura was Takasugi...

Hey Firuze can you find out what the deal was with the guy Serizawa
killed last night the one who lef the note for Kondou?

--
Barbara Sheridan

http://www.barbarasheridan.net





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#204 [2004-05-03 21:51:04]

Re: WARNING Shinsengumi! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by secretarytocapt3

Wow. Your friend's comments are so valuable to me...Thank You

Now I understand the posts on Japanese messageboards...so it is not
only how Joe Odagiri delivers the lines but the words themselves are
"groovy" as our Japanese sisters put it...

You know many of the qualities you mentioned are indeed RK Saitou and
on messageboards which study the historical Shinsengumi...RK (Sword
Heart)is always mentioned in comparison because Nobuhiro interprets
the Shinsengumi related documents and folklore in such a way which is
not only appealing as entertainment but also full of human
psychology...and so people insist, and maybe correctly so, that RK
somehow reveals some truth.

What interests me is the selection of Joe Odagiri
(Mr. Hottie/sexy/dangerous---I was born the same day/month as him by
the way)...when I look at all the pics of the actors he, to me
atleast, is the most attractive and then comes Hijikata (and I wasn't
expecting him to be handsome because I'm so used to seeing the
portrait/photo of historical S.H.). It seems that the writers are
really attracted to their Saitou and perhaps they have found something
in their research which is so appealing that they synthesized an NHK
version which is irresistable. After all Hijikata and Okita have
always overshadowed other members of the Shinsengumi why Saitou -now-?
Perhaps simply because Okita and Hijikata have been used too often as
characters? But then again we have all seen slightly different Okitas
(love Mibugishiden/Bakumatsu/Gohatto).

Since Shizuko Akama's book is a major source for hist. S.H. and she
discusses the mysteries associated to him...I think people want a
mysterious hero.

I wonder if they chose an unattractive actor to portray Saitou if he
would still be appealing as a character.

Firuze, can I borrow Enishi for a second?
Would we sympathize with Enishi if he looked like Iwanbo (with white
hair because it is an expression of grief-to me)? Writers know their
audience...we really do see the surface level first before delving
deeper into their psyches. If we see Iwanbo on the beach crying for
his nee-san would we care?

By the way the popularity of NHK Shinsengumi has probably led to
3-hajime.com's surge in hits....the site is 2 years old but I'm
serious the hits have jumped by the HUNDREDS!!! these past few weeks.

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